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and good afternoon from Philadelphia

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Frank here with another episode of UFO

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news network Sunday today on a Sunday we

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are ready to go with a big super panel

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to review the anti unidentified TV

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series and we are ready to go let me

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bring on my co-host Jenn Hanna and she's

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going to introduce our panel for today

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I'm gonna do that how are you Frank I

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doing good ready to go I am ready to go

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too

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this is gonna be a great show it's the

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UH native and an unidentified History

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Channel show series make a panel that we

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have to review all six shows and we have

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our special day Dave Beatty the

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filmmaker of the Nimitz Encounter Nimitz

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Encounters we have Earl Grey who's the

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assistant state director for Southern

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California and the chief investigator

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also we have dr. Irena Scott who has a

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PhD from the University of Missouri

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College of Veterinary Medicine and she

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also served on the MUFON board of

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directors we have jin-man who is a state

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director of Arizona MUFON we have Shane

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Hurd who is a MUFON field investigator

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with Phoenix MUFON a podcaster with

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rogue planet TV and soon-to-be published

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author we have Jeff Crouse who is the

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state director for Southern California

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of MUFON we also have Dean Alioto who is

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an award-winning filmmaker and works on

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film and TV and his her first movie was

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UFO abduction and was the first ever

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found footage movie and has caused a

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stir in the UFO community for three

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decades now we have Keith a REM who is

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one of the leading directors in the game

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industry keith has directed and produced

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over 650 titles including call of duty

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and titanfall and his first motion

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picture Phoenix incident featured an

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immersive viral marketing campaign

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generating over 20 million engagements

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yeah yeah thanks for coming on everybody

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and let's not waste any time and let's

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get right down to

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the final unidentified show aired this

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past Friday night but we had a little

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bit of a pregame show we had president

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Donald Trump being interviewed by tuckle

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Tucker Carlson over on Fox News and the

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question was asked about UFOs there was

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some chatter that proved to be nonsense

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regarding a trump possibly saying a

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little bit more than he did during his

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previous interview with George

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Stephanopoulos a couple weeks back and

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he didn't go any further than he did

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with Stephanopoulos with Carlson but

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still the question got asked the

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president didn't comment and any

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thoughts on all that anybody I would

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sooner a monkey quote Shakespeare than

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to expect anything sensible about UFOs

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to come out of the president's mouth

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sorry monkeys I didn't mean to put you

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in a bad light chances are greater that

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they would happen intelligent statement

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regarding the subject of UFOs then

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Donald Trump who can't even make a

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sensible statement about hamburgers I

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mean hamburgers I think that's nonsense

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I'll get off this this this conference

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call immediately if you don't lay off

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the United States president what we're

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here for folks

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honest to god that's not what we're here

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for this is a wonderfully great nation

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and we're not here for a president

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bashing so let's get out of it all right

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so obviously that earlier comments that

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was basically yet nothing happened

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basically with the Carson Trump

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interview so let's get to the show has

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everybody been following it multi time

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and in total what's everyone's opinion

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on the show itself I think it was a

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groundbreaking series it showed

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everything in a different light than the

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way things have been presented this is

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all yeah this is Shane here oh you you

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gonna say that I think the show did what

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it needed to do in terms of bringing a

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serious spin on it to a largely

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uneducated audience yet for those of us

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who are familiar with the topic it still

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was a great presentation and you know

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we'll talk more about later I think what

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what it all means but I really enjoyed

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it and was impressed it was more than

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just a TV show you know I mean I think

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some people were probably tuning in and

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thinking that they were gonna be getting

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ancient aliens part two or something but

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this wasn't just entertainment

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that we were being told something very

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poignant and groundbreaking and it

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changes the way that we have to look at

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the phenomena even it was a very good

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show and more than a TV show is a

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disclosure with a small D but disclosure

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nonetheless when I put a nice human

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was amazing to have you know didn't be

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able to analyze it and be able to sort

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of present it in a neutral light and

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pose a lot of questions a lot of us

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the phenomenon and the mainstream public

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so it was important that it got

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discussed in that light this is Dean

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here it felt like it was really good

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floor play let me ask you this is there

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any such thing as bad for play I mean

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several times you know but ultimately

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since I we do have a you and you and

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backgrounds would you have done anything

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a little bit differently yeah I would

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have put my name on I would say overall

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the production value I thought looked

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really good the visual uniform color

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up per event I feel like the the biggest

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disappointment was that I want to hear

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more of Tom's maybe original music in

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there that might not have been in the

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till the end till last episode he wasn't

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really you know he was kind of walking

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around and I think they really did that

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purposefully yeah the prominent

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interviews there but I thought that you

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mixture because you saw the real footage

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contrast and by sort of the recreated

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footage and in some respects that gives

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the the audience a definitive sort of

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view of what they think it looks like

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and as a filmmaker it's a challenge

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right because that's your interpretation

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of what the events are so those kind of

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liberties are a little bit challenging

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fantastic job of just presenting it very

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neutrally yeah that's good as long as

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it's shown as a representation and not

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the actual thing that's all good because

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it does give the viewer an idea and

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something to think about which is always

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interested and things like that or what

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keep them interested right yeah because

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you have separate blips right and these

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are all disclosed through the Pentagon

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and these other qualified military

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sources and it's clearly showing that

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airspace is being violated by vehicles

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they'll talk about privately and here's

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something that you can actually put out

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publicly and confirms what we're doing

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in fiction yeah absolutely the thing

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one other way to have a nice spectrum of

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people I like the fact that we have you

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a female wingman witness wing person I

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guess witness who was there she said

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just me but that I thought that was

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interesting because each of them were

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very credible I mean I didn't see anyone

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I shot like 500 or more interviews over

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the years doing these crime reenactment

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shows and and usually you can tell when

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people are you know inflating things a

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little bit all of them came off very

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very credible I thought that that there

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wasn't you know any episode that you

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would watch for you'd feel like all

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right they're really stretching to get

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this one I thought the board if I had to

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pick a word for an edge I'd say very

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credible what was funny is that it was

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exactly the same approach that we

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a Navy pilot that's coming in in our

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case there was an Air Force pilot

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talking shadowed and revealing the

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state's evidence about an encounter that

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really happened and so when I saw it

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starting off I was like oh wow that's

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very familiar territory when the footage

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first got released our movie jumped into

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the top 10 on iTunes because the footage

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photography that we did in our film so

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people were thinking that the gimbal

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footage of the tic-tock footage was

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another viral part of what we were doing

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for our media campaign so it was

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pleasant to see that it wasn't and yeah

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you'd mentioned earlier at Keith's that

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the FLIR type of videos are pretty easy

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to recreate so what what did you take

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away from the controversy about that

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some people were questioning the

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validity of those videos did they jump

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out to you and say yeah I can fake this

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record you message recording you may

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I'd like to report a UFO yes I'm sorry

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I'm sorry about that Keith yeah what do

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what that jumped out at you when you

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first saw these videos that it that

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seemed like something that you can

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recreate yourself or what was your

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opinion on him I mean when we went out I

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mean our our budget for our film was was

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pretty low and but we wanted it to be

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pretty authentic so we went out to these

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straightens in outside of Phoenix we

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shot on real military FLIR cameras we

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actually shot at an altitude that was

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sort of respectful of where the f-16s

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any of the other visual effects we're

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fairly easy for us to hide because we

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were recording at such a high rate there

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are visual effects teams could kind of

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put that in and we reshoot it off of

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screens so you really couldn't debunk

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the footage actually all aha

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unfortunately isn't here he was one of

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the first people that did actually kind

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of expose our viral campaign and that's

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how Alejandra and I became friends

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because we were trying to bring it

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awareness to this we weren't trying to

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do a fake news to sort of Punk anyone we

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were actually trying to inspire people

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to start doing the research and find all

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the information about what was happening

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what these pilots were saying so when I

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saw this footage I was really surprised

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because it is fairly easy to sort of

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recreate it and and fake it and bring in

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the pilot voices and we brought a lot of

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our voice actors that work on Call of

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Duty and lot of them the video games

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would work on so it the fact that this

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was disclosed through the Pentagon and

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other military sources I think was the

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most important fact because the footage

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really is very easy to fake and looking

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at this footage I still do question sort

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of the origins of what it is the the

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biggest criticism that I've seen it is

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the gimbal right the rotation of the

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ship life I've seen criticisms over and

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over on it which is about it which is oh

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it's the back of like an F whatever jet

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and it's turning in its banking to the

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left and and actually that's inaccurate

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if it banks to left the whole thing

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Musel

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this kept it's plain it wasn't going

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further than the distance isn't it it

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was a side we were tracking them going

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parallel to the object so if it turns

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it's gonna it's gonna maneuver straight

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to the left so right away that's that's

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wrong and also they look at the back and

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say well it's the back of a ship because

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you're looking our craft jet you look at

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the fin it it you know was protruding

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like that well that's not a fin that's

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the heat signature and so there was just

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a little bit comin old Klum if you will

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coming from the top and the bottom and

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so for me that was the biggest thing

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which was that there was really no heat

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signature on most of these it was just

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moving along and and the reactions as I

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was talking about hond robot to me the

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most credible thing was the reactions

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you listen to these guys I I've done

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countless crime shows with us customs

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officials SWAT all these guys I judge

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how they react to any situation as how

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dangerous it is if they're making jokes

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and everything that I know I'm okay if

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the jokes stop I know we're screwed if

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they're blown away I'm gonna hear it and

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these guys were like a bunch of kids

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were in between knocking the code that

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they would normally do they would drop

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these you know oh my god holy [\h__\h] and

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they're dropping f-bombs so he can do

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all of these things you can drop f-bombs

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- yeah you can you can recreate to an

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extent but again it's you look at the

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messenger you know it's I'm gonna go

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back to the Godfather II who delivers

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the message and the fact that it was low

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and he was you know credible and had

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this background and everyone else around

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him you know in the fact that the

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government's now come out and said yes

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you know we didn't release it it's like

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okay it's over

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there should be no more controversy on

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that let's move forward the next step

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which is you know what else are they

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each the maximum time permitted for

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recording your message press 2 to erase

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and reward bear you have reached maximum

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time permitted for recording your

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message if you are satisfied with your

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message press one to listen to your

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message press two to erase and rerecord

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press tchen for you now when these

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videos first came out there was of

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course the audio to go along with it and

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the pilot reactions it was kind of up in

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the air for a long time as to whether or

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not they were legitimate they got some

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criticism from John Lear among others

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and it seemed to be confirmed from the

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show that that audio was in fact

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legitimate that the pilot said graves in

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a coin confirmed that they recognize

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those voices has that finally done it

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for you you're convinced that the audio

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and the video are illegitimate yeah I

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mean I think that you know from the very

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beginning in I've always been a fan of

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military history and I've always read

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everything I could find you know memoirs

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and so on a pilot's going way back and

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one of the first things that you figure

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out is that they have intercom systems

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on their planes and especially you know

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when there's like two guys in a plane if

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you have a weapon system officer and a

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pilot they're just they're just kind of

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bantering the entire time now you know

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if that's recorded then you're gonna

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hear just the this is not being

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broadcast out over the air so even you

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know from the wingman jet in the lead

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they're just kind of like basically

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biessing with each other so I think

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that's what you're hearing and when

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people criticize and say they would

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never say that over the radio well

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they're not really over the radio

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they're on their own intercom

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frequencies they never expected that to

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go out to everybody to hear probably so

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yeah I believe that I mean I don't I

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don't I never thought that that you know

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it's rotating or you know that whole

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thing I didn't I never thought that that

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was off at all so the only stuff that

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was scripted that I noticed was when

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they would have you know Louise Elizondo

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would go and he like he's interrupting a

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recording session over at Tom DeLonge

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studio and stuff and what I what

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impressed me was you know that the you

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know that certain parts were certainly

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scripted but it did not seem contrived

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they did a really really good job about

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that you know I mean everybody was fully

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in on this you know that they wanted

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they wanted to be heard I mean this was

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meaningful to every pilot every person

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that was involved in this production and

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there was not there was no corniness to

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it and it did not seem contrived it's

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hard to do unless you're being fully

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honest and and straightforward and that

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really came through for me and I thought

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that was a really good good thing about

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this show hold on Frank

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dr. Irena Scott it is your perspective

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regarding the unidentified in Channel

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series can we have a little bit of input

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from you on that I thought it was great

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because interviewing the pilots and the

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radar operators really was convincing

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you didn't have to take it second hand

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you got it right from the horse's mouth

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and then also the way they check for

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jamming and the way they merged the

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signals from the two ships the

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princeling Nimitz and things I thought

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thank you yeah I did well I lost my

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train of thought there okay uh well I

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haven't

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I wanted to let everybody know that my

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understanding from input from the UFO

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community that a lot of folks felt that

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this show was proposing the idea is that

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ET craft also known as UFOs could be

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considered a threat to our world

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what does everybody's take on that this

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is Jeff Crouse here looking at the the

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picture that they showed from the

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evidence on that episode of the shot to

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the rotor blade of the helicopter I

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noticed for one thing the shot was to

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the rear part of the rotor blade and it

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looked like was just enough to throw out

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the balance to where they would have to

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land and I'm pretty

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sure if they wanted to they could have

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just incinerated the whole helicopter

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now they were pretty tight-lipped about

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the circumstances beforehand and after

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okay yeah you're talking about the other

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Italian case now right right and you

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know about showing the evidence of the

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attack like that was you know pretty big

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that's the first time that there's proof

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of an interaction between a so-called

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UAP and any type of other air vehicle

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but again I got to reiterate you know

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then it looked like it was more of meant

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to be a crippling blow than an actual

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attack meant to cause serious damage and

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so again you have to think about intent

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and we really don't know the preceding

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circumstances to that they're pretty

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tight-lipped about that but it also

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brings up the question of how they knew

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that they could fire on a UFO and what

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happened after they did yes well I

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thought that whole exchange was pretty

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interesting

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it goes back to October I think of last

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year when they went over DeLong and

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Elizondo went over to Italy and made

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their little presentation that there was

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a livestream of it we were able to watch

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it live when it happened it was a pretty

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interesting remember it there was a

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Saturday morning our time I believe and

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yeah it was a very interesting I really

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enjoyed it the Elizondo went through his

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history of UFOs and I thought what

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they're they included in the show was

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pretty interesting as it was basically

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they were sitting at a table

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Elizondo DeLong and the Italian UFO

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people and they were basically sort of

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God negotiating for material and it

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seemed like Elizondo was not giving up

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too much and they wanted whatever they

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can get from the Italians and going back

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to earlier this year

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Alex Giannetti the South American

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researcher was on our show and he had

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discussed that basically yeah Elizondo

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and DeLong tried to hook up the same

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deal with other countries in Europe by

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like England and France and they weren't

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able to get that done but they were able

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to get it done with the Italians it

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seems like the Italians took their offer

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I thought that was pretty interesting

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and it seemed like

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that whole thing was sort of played out

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before the cameras that whole

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negotiation process and I thought that

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was pretty interesting and a thumbs-up

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to Alex for giving us that information

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several months ago I thought that was

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really interesting anybody else have any

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thoughts on that that's really telling

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scene elizondo's reaction to hearing

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that too because he actually genuinely

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looked floored when he heard that yeah

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what are the exact two chance quest

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question I have to say that I agree

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about the threat thing I mean going back

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to the beginning would to the stars it

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was pretty much framed as the a tip was

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which was a DoD program and I think that

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throughout this series and each episode

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in some way or another they they were

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always reinforcing that you know this is

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this is possibly a threat and that you

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know Congress should look at it as far

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as perhaps a DoD mission that needs to

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look at this as a threat to national

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security now whether that means they

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want funding for Bigelow or something

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like that I don't know but I hope that

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not only that that they also try to get

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answers as to what these objects are and

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that might be more scientific study

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versus you know a Defense Department

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study and so I think in like go ahead

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yep Keith this is Keith sorry sorry

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there's a little bit of a delay what's

532
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interesting is that there is a history

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that does date back of a number of

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encounters that did have military

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presence that's what I thought was

536
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really interesting that this echoed back

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to you saw that we did have military

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encounters back in Iran in 76

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there was other incidents that happen in

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Peru back in the 80s and the whole

541
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Belgium wave incident that you had where

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you had f-16s engaging craft and this is

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very similar to all of those that's what

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we were investigating what we were

545
00:25:18,660 --> 00:25:17,620
looking at Phoenix and I met with pilots

546
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:18,670
they were having very similar

547
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:20,530
experiences where they're actively

548
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,410
engaging the the craft so when you hear

549
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:24,880
the same type of story

550
00:25:28,350 --> 00:25:26,650
being echoed but now coming out in

551
00:25:30,570 --> 00:25:28,360
mainstream media and then the Pentagon

552
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:30,580
releasing the footage that sort of gives

553
00:25:33,870 --> 00:25:32,170
a little bit of credibility that we have

554
00:25:35,940 --> 00:25:33,880
engaged before and that there is a

555
00:25:38,430 --> 00:25:35,950
potential threat if you have something

556
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,440
that's violating your airspace you know

557
00:25:41,370 --> 00:25:40,000
we're obviously so defensive of our

558
00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:41,380
borders but when you have something

559
00:25:48,030 --> 00:25:44,560
that's coming in over the air that's

560
00:25:49,410 --> 00:25:48,040
that's a real challenge because you know

561
00:25:52,650 --> 00:25:49,420
these are technologies that we didn't

562
00:25:54,780 --> 00:25:52,660
think are even possible and if there's

563
00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:54,790
an enemy force it isn't to be alien it

564
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:56,470
can be just another country but that's a

565
00:26:01,890 --> 00:25:59,760
huge threat to the country can I ask

566
00:26:03,420 --> 00:26:01,900
there are two things that were a

567
00:26:06,060 --> 00:26:03,430
question for me that no one's talked

568
00:26:09,090 --> 00:26:06,070
about yet or I haven't heard us say

569
00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:09,100
which is is this the first time in UFOs

570
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:11,980
over strict you know just drugged out on

571
00:26:15,450 --> 00:26:14,110
a plane shot a plane because I know that

572
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:15,460
they're that they've been known to do

573
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,650
that with the missiles with the test

574
00:26:21,030 --> 00:26:18,880
missiles that were set up and they would

575
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:21,040
hit the cone the cap with like a laser

576
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:23,640
but this is the first time that a

577
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:27,520
vehicle has ever been you know hit

578
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:31,600
struck by an alien ship and then also

579
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:33,250
I'm really curious about I don't want to

580
00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:35,770
skip over Episode one where there was

581
00:26:39,390 --> 00:26:36,760
something in the water

582
00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:39,400
this submergible craft that was bigger

583
00:26:44,250 --> 00:26:41,860
than the tic-tac and that they had with

584
00:26:46,290 --> 00:26:44,260
them a a submarine with a fleet that was

585
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:46,300
out doing these tests why didn't they

586
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:48,130
send the similar submarine out to man to

587
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:50,650
coordinates and everything to Venice but

588
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:52,690
anyway yeah Dave you might know a little

589
00:27:00,300 --> 00:26:57,130
bit more about this well you know in the

590
00:27:04,050 --> 00:27:00,310
executive summary report the captain of

591
00:27:05,970 --> 00:27:04,060
the the sub the USS Louisville now he

592
00:27:08,610 --> 00:27:05,980
doesn't go into specifics of that

593
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:08,620
coordinate but he said that that entire

594
00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:10,810
workup they didn't have any unknown

595
00:27:14,820 --> 00:27:13,270
sonar contacts that whole week which is

596
00:27:16,530 --> 00:27:14,830
sort of an interesting thing considering

597
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:16,540
it seemed like there were things in the

598
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:19,810
water like you said yeah at one point

599
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:21,250
they said that it was traveling twice

600
00:27:27,930 --> 00:27:24,310
the speed that we're able to go seven

601
00:27:29,910 --> 00:27:27,940
knots or seven whatever twice as fast as

602
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:29,920
the fastest submergible you know some

603
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:32,170
that we have so yeah here here's some

604
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:33,760
information though here's some breaking

605
00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:33,970
news

606
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:36,820
so I'm Gary who is in unidentified he's

607
00:27:40,509 --> 00:27:38,330
you know one of my witnesses

608
00:27:43,539 --> 00:27:40,519
and within the last couple weeks he's

609
00:27:44,110 --> 00:27:43,549
sort of retracted that story you know I

610
00:27:45,850 --> 00:27:44,120
was watching

611
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:45,860
unidentified today some of the episodes

612
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:47,330
I'm like wow they're gonna have to

613
00:27:51,610 --> 00:27:49,970
change that because Gary is now saying

614
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:51,620
that the guy that told him that the

615
00:27:56,980 --> 00:27:54,799
sonar attack basically was you know

616
00:27:58,779 --> 00:27:56,990
lying to him or made it up or something

617
00:28:00,669 --> 00:27:58,789
like that I mean I'm not exactly sure

618
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:00,679
why somebody would tell another sailor

619
00:28:05,980 --> 00:28:03,110
but the reason why he's saying that is

620
00:28:07,630 --> 00:28:05,990
because two or three senior sonar men

621
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:07,640
have come forward after seeing the show

622
00:28:12,850 --> 00:28:10,010
and kind of got in contact with Gary and

623
00:28:14,169 --> 00:28:12,860
Kevin and these guys are like no and

624
00:28:16,029 --> 00:28:14,179
they kind of even gave the technical

625
00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:16,039
reason of why the Princeton couldn't

626
00:28:20,919 --> 00:28:18,830
have really had any underwater contacts

627
00:28:23,649 --> 00:28:20,929
and they didn't talk to any other ships

628
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:23,659
so if yeah if you talk to Gary Voorhees

629
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:25,010
today you'll find out that he's

630
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:27,529
retracted that I wanted to let everybody

631
00:28:32,139 --> 00:28:29,809
know who Gary Voorhees is that Dave

632
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:32,149
Beatty just mentioned and that is a

633
00:28:36,430 --> 00:28:34,130
little bit about him during his time on

634
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,440
the USS Princeton he was tasked with the

635
00:28:40,539 --> 00:28:38,480
security and inventory of top secret and

636
00:28:42,879 --> 00:28:40,549
classified materials including being

637
00:28:45,580 --> 00:28:42,889
trained to operate the loss military

638
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:45,590
recon UAV for the Pacific Fleet during

639
00:28:51,159 --> 00:28:48,559
Operation Enduring Freedom on 14th of

640
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:51,169
November 2004 he was an eyewitness of

641
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:54,049
the USS Nimitz tik-tok event which Dave

642
00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:55,760
Beattie went ahead and covered so

643
00:29:02,740 --> 00:28:57,710
beautifully in his Nimitz Encounters a

644
00:29:05,409 --> 00:29:02,750
film of shaineh would let me jump in

645
00:29:07,210 --> 00:29:05,419
here and ask well just throw this up for

646
00:29:09,159 --> 00:29:07,220
everybody really because anybody can

647
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,169
comment on this but Davy

648
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:11,120
you helped us put together a good show

649
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:14,240
with Gary Voorhees Kevin day PJ Hughes

650
00:29:20,830 --> 00:29:17,450
and Jason Turner last week and what

651
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:20,840
really struck me was the overwhelming

652
00:29:24,970 --> 00:29:22,970
positive response they've gotten since

653
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:24,980
they come forward it seems like things

654
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,440
have really changed a lot in terms of

655
00:29:32,169 --> 00:29:29,840
the reaction that the witnesses

656
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:32,179
especially these guys have gotten us

657
00:29:35,950 --> 00:29:34,370
since they've come forward and I really

658
00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:35,960
like to discuss that that seems like a

659
00:29:41,710 --> 00:29:39,710
real important shift in opinions and

660
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:41,720
they're saying it's all good and I was

661
00:29:47,649 --> 00:29:44,169
very pleased and impressed to hear that

662
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:47,659
yeah I mean I can I talk to them on most

663
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:50,240
of daily basis and all the Marilla had

664
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:52,130
been very positive about the whole

665
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:55,370
experience I know I know coming out by

666
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,710
themselves if it was just one person it

667
00:30:01,000 --> 00:29:59,120
probably is pretty difficult you know

668
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:01,010
but because they came out sort of

669
00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:03,530
together as a group mutually supporting

670
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:07,190
each other you know I think that just

671
00:30:12,550 --> 00:30:08,930
being able to openly talk about what

672
00:30:15,130 --> 00:30:12,560
they saw all these years later has been

673
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:15,140
vindicating and sort of like a relief so

674
00:30:19,780 --> 00:30:17,090
yeah I think I would say that's been a

675
00:30:22,510 --> 00:30:19,790
very positive for him and one last

676
00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:22,520
question for you Dave you had to be as

677
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:24,830
surprised as everybody else when they

678
00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:27,050
actually did feature the lady pilot even

679
00:30:31,420 --> 00:30:28,430
though she was in shadows and his

680
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:31,430
remaining anonymous that that had to be

681
00:30:37,270 --> 00:30:32,930
a bit of a surprise for you but now she

682
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:37,280
turned up on the show yeah you know you

683
00:30:40,330 --> 00:30:38,690
know the whole time that we were

684
00:30:41,980 --> 00:30:40,340
researching this from the very beginning

685
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:41,990
I kind of figured out that there was

686
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:45,050
this female pilot but no you know back

687
00:30:50,260 --> 00:30:48,290
back in 2018 in the in in the winner

688
00:30:52,570 --> 00:30:50,270
there no one believed that there was a

689
00:30:56,110 --> 00:30:52,580
female pilot and now to see her on the

690
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,120
show and actually coming forward I think

691
00:31:00,670 --> 00:30:58,640
it's wonderful I mean they're all heroes

692
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:00,680
really these naval aviators are

693
00:31:07,210 --> 00:31:04,370
America's Heroes and so on and to

694
00:31:08,740 --> 00:31:07,220
obviously step forward to talk about

695
00:31:11,380 --> 00:31:08,750
something like this it does have stigma

696
00:31:13,150 --> 00:31:11,390
attached I know and you know I get it

697
00:31:15,460 --> 00:31:13,160
that she's in the shadows and everything

698
00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:15,470
but it was really good to see her so on

699
00:31:18,370 --> 00:31:16,910
Dave I had a question for you can you

700
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,380
envision a full congressional hearing

701
00:31:23,890 --> 00:31:20,240
specifically for military pilots who

702
00:31:27,550 --> 00:31:23,900
have had UAP encounters or anything I

703
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:27,560
want to chime in on that I hope so yeah

704
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:29,210
I mean it seems like it seems like

705
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:30,320
they're very interested because if

706
00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:31,730
you're watching this series as it goes

707
00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:32,030
along

708
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:34,160
Chris Malan is like working the hill

709
00:31:38,050 --> 00:31:36,410
he's always seems to be having meetings

710
00:31:41,050 --> 00:31:38,060
with people and then they say okay the

711
00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:41,060
these pilots have come forward from the

712
00:31:44,020 --> 00:31:42,350
Nimitz Encounters have already had

713
00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:44,030
briefings with Congress earlier in the

714
00:31:47,890 --> 00:31:45,470
year and now they want to talk to the

715
00:31:51,370 --> 00:31:47,900
people from the Roosevelt I know that

716
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:51,380
there was a congressional or a Senate a

717
00:31:57,070 --> 00:31:53,930
senator's aide contacted Kevin Day last

718
00:31:58,330 --> 00:31:57,080
year he shared an email with us that the

719
00:32:01,240 --> 00:31:58,340
guy told him he shouldn't have done

720
00:32:04,180 --> 00:32:01,250
later just kind of you know that's Kevin

721
00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:04,190
but I think that there is an interest

722
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:05,700
probably

723
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:08,960
by T TSA and this whole thing so yeah

724
00:32:13,340 --> 00:32:10,980
one of the things that we noticed when

725
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,350
we were interviewing pilots for our film

726
00:32:19,220 --> 00:32:16,080
was that there's this huge fear of

727
00:32:21,379 --> 00:32:19,230
retaliation when they do make a report

728
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,389
they're subjected to submit a

729
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:23,279
psychological evaluation after their

730
00:32:30,019 --> 00:32:26,880
report and so they're questioned again

731
00:32:31,159 --> 00:32:30,029
if they want to file a report given the

732
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:31,169
fact that they're going to get be given

733
00:32:34,220 --> 00:32:32,850
this psychological evaluation and and

734
00:32:35,899 --> 00:32:34,230
what we found is the majority of them

735
00:32:36,860 --> 00:32:35,909
don't want to file mainly because they

736
00:32:39,169 --> 00:32:36,870
don't want to have that report on the

737
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:39,179
record that sounds like that was a Dean

738
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:43,200
Alioto talking right Oh Keith I'm sorry

739
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:45,899
so sorry about that I'm sorry to

740
00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:48,210
interject but I wanted a Shane what his

741
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:49,799
prior point might have been even if it

742
00:32:56,090 --> 00:32:52,500
was like you know a long time ago what

743
00:32:58,629 --> 00:32:56,100
was Shane going to say Shane heard a

744
00:33:01,460 --> 00:32:58,639
field investigator for Phoenix MUFON

745
00:33:03,980 --> 00:33:01,470
thanks chant it was regarding the the

746
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:03,990
show unidentified in a question that

747
00:33:11,899 --> 00:33:09,600
you'd posted about UFOs as a threat you

748
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,909
know we know a large segment of the UFO

749
00:33:16,450 --> 00:33:13,440
population they don't really like that

750
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:16,460
concept UFOs really have not identified

751
00:33:28,820 --> 00:33:26,450
them so this is a lot general however I

752
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:28,830
Chris melon had mentioned in the show

753
00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:32,340
the very goal that they're trying to

754
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:37,590
achieve is to really get our politicians

755
00:33:42,769 --> 00:33:40,799
on board with researching UFOs and

756
00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:42,779
ultimately I'm sure it's it's getting

757
00:33:50,029 --> 00:33:46,679
dollars but the point is is that he made

758
00:33:52,299 --> 00:33:50,039
is that the television program the

759
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:52,309
individuals on it these aren't

760
00:34:00,529 --> 00:33:56,490
intelligence officials they have NDA's

761
00:34:04,220 --> 00:34:00,539
and their security clearances they are

762
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:04,230
within a system political system to move

763
00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:06,720
this idea forward so they're walking

764
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:08,700
this fine line and doing this dance

765
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:11,129
about you know saying what it is and

766
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:13,379
what it means but doing so on a

767
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:15,419
framework using the words and the

768
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:18,210
concepts that are acceptable to the

769
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:19,530
political community

770
00:34:24,140 --> 00:34:22,080
you know I'm saying so even if they

771
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:24,150
don't really feel they're a threat you

772
00:34:28,940 --> 00:34:26,130
have to say that they're a threat to

773
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,950
move this thing politically forward so

774
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:31,440
you know whether it's an actual or

775
00:34:35,419 --> 00:34:33,540
perceived threat doesn't matter the

776
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:35,429
point is is that they're trying to get

777
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:38,310
Congress to act and to get Congress to

778
00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:38,850
act

779
00:34:44,390 --> 00:34:42,179
you have to frame it this way I think

780
00:34:46,850 --> 00:34:44,400
it's also fair to say that any advanced

781
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:46,860
technology of unknown origin is a

782
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:48,450
potential threat that's what the

783
00:34:59,600 --> 00:34:57,690
military views it as a good friend a

784
00:35:01,520 --> 00:34:59,610
rich Hoffmann I had gotten that some

785
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:01,530
word I believe it was from earlier in

786
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:04,410
the week from a Louie Elizondo regarding

787
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:08,490
the video me go ahead that are being

788
00:35:15,020 --> 00:35:12,530
shown on the that we're seeing now that

789
00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:15,030
actually Congress has already gotten to

790
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:17,670
take a look at some far more significant

791
00:35:24,370 --> 00:35:20,850
and compelling video as part of their

792
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:24,380
hearings do we have any thoughts on that

793
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:26,730
yeah he said that we just got a taste

794
00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:28,890
and the congressman got to chew and

795
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:30,630
swallow the whole thing if he said

796
00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:32,790
something like that pretty interesting

797
00:35:36,590 --> 00:35:34,350
that so obviously there's other videos

798
00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:36,600
that are out there right I hope we get

799
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:40,260
to see those that was a one-er

800
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:42,150
disappointment I was hoping that we were

801
00:35:47,330 --> 00:35:44,130
going to get a little you know maybe a

802
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:47,340
fourth video and we did get the

803
00:35:51,980 --> 00:35:50,370
photographs Italy and and that was you

804
00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:51,990
know definitely enticing and

805
00:35:58,940 --> 00:35:55,080
thought-provoking but but we didn't get

806
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,950
a fourth video from the provenance of

807
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:00,720
the people coming forward though you

808
00:36:06,620 --> 00:36:02,610
know it's bipartisan we've got Harry

809
00:36:08,990 --> 00:36:06,630
Reid was involved we've got this

810
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:09,000
involved yeah you know I mean in the

811
00:36:12,740 --> 00:36:10,980
Department of Defense they're doing

812
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:12,750
their job I mean they're supposed to

813
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:14,700
assess threats and and this is what

814
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:16,170
they're supposed to do there they're not

815
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:19,140
UFO buffs you know they're there they're

816
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:21,300
there to assess a threat and so that's

817
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:26,400
them doing their job an alien con they

818
00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:30,210
had a panel unidentified and I'm trying

819
00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:32,670
to think of who it was that was was on

820
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,300
there I want to see

821
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:35,040
Chris melon but I'm not sure that it was

822
00:36:39,950 --> 00:36:38,250
him but they were saying that wow this

823
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:39,960
is you know the way that they are

824
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,850
bringing this forward because they have

825
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:43,920
to call it a threat that's you know

826
00:36:47,780 --> 00:36:46,320
Department of Defense that the people

827
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:47,790
that are involved over to the Stars

828
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:50,880
Academy don't see this as as all just

829
00:36:57,110 --> 00:36:53,520
being a threat this is just the position

830
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:57,120
that they have to take being from the

831
00:37:01,970 --> 00:36:58,650
military and the Department of Defense

832
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:01,980
they have to assess this in that way but

833
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,170
he was saying that that you know with it

834
00:37:07,250 --> 00:37:05,520
that there's somewhere in the middle

835
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:07,260
that they're not saying malevolent or

836
00:37:12,860 --> 00:37:10,290
benevolent you know and I think that's

837
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:12,870
really a good stance to take because we

838
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:15,780
don't know I mean it's unidentified you

839
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:17,970
know we we don't know what their agenda

840
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:21,960
is as Jeff was saying earlier it's a

841
00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:24,480
good thing that you know to know that

842
00:37:29,740 --> 00:37:27,630
that when they hit the helicopter they

843
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:29,750
didn't hit the leading edge of the

844
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:32,400
helicopter rotor blade you know it was

845
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:34,710
it seemed like it was to stall the

846
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,400
helicopter not to kill see I gotta take

847
00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:40,560
exception with that only in the sense

848
00:37:45,830 --> 00:37:43,800
that how will they know that the pilot

849
00:37:48,290 --> 00:37:45,840
would be of a certain level of skill

850
00:37:51,470 --> 00:37:48,300
that he could negotiate that helicopter

851
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:51,480
down with with a kind of little you know

852
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:54,960
shot to the propeller something it feels

853
00:37:59,450 --> 00:37:57,180
like something else must have happened I

854
00:38:01,400 --> 00:37:59,460
again this is historical correct me if

855
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:01,410
I'm wrong but we've never been attacked

856
00:38:06,290 --> 00:38:04,710
by one of these vehicles so that needs

857
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:06,300
to be marked in history this is the

858
00:38:10,910 --> 00:38:08,520
first time and second why are they doing

859
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:10,920
I mean that's a whole thing on pact why

860
00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:12,330
were there fires there whiting my dad

861
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:13,980
the helicopter flying over there there

862
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:17,130
was nothing to reveal a whole other

863
00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:20,400
story that makes no sense to me yeah

864
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:22,950
going back a ways there have been pilots

865
00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:25,800
lost that chasing UFOs the mattel case

866
00:38:31,460 --> 00:38:28,740
is pretty famous and also there's a the

867
00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:31,470
Kinross came so with that they were

868
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:35,190
chasing after them right right so right

869
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:37,280
know exactly exactly

870
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:41,040
okay I wanted to bring up a data point

871
00:38:46,850 --> 00:38:44,040
that rich Hoffman who's on the board of

872
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:46,860
the Scientific Coalition for you AP's

873
00:38:51,380 --> 00:38:49,680
brought up to my attention he said Lu

874
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:51,390
elizondo's work represents the first

875
00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:52,740
time a member of the US intelligence

876
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,870
community has come forward to speak

877
00:38:59,060 --> 00:38:56,880
coherently and scientifically about the

878
00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:59,070
phenomena this will hopefully prompt

879
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:00,660
other members of the intelligence

880
00:39:05,450 --> 00:39:03,570
community to include former directors of

881
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:05,460
national intelligence and former

882
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:06,690
directors of the Defense Intelligence

883
00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:09,810
Agency to lobby u.s. Congress should

884
00:39:14,330 --> 00:39:10,740
take up our piece

885
00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:14,340
bipartisan bipartisan stand in lifting

886
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,500
the veil of secrecy on this subject and

887
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:18,720
allow an open public private study of

888
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:20,610
this issue I just wanted to get that in

889
00:39:27,110 --> 00:39:25,110
on a rich Hoffman's part and another

890
00:39:29,420 --> 00:39:27,120
point I'd like to bring up is during the

891
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,430
unidentified show for the first time we

892
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:31,440
had an active-duty pilot I believe Danny

893
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:35,130
a coin from the recent 2015 East Coast

894
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:37,560
case is still an active-duty pilot and

895
00:39:41,390 --> 00:39:39,450
according to what I've got Ryan graves

896
00:39:43,460 --> 00:39:41,400
is a former pilot so I'm assuming he's

897
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:43,470
out but this is the first time we've

898
00:39:49,070 --> 00:39:46,110
seen an active-duty pilot coming forward

899
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:49,080
and in recent years and talking about a

900
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:51,660
UFO case so I thought that was another

901
00:39:57,140 --> 00:39:54,410
step in the right direction a big deal

902
00:39:58,700 --> 00:39:57,150
yeah that was one of my favorite parts

903
00:40:00,560 --> 00:39:58,710
of the show obviously having these guys

904
00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:00,570
get the the Roosevelt pilots on the air

905
00:40:06,860 --> 00:40:03,900
was amazing I mean no one else has been

906
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:06,870
I mean I know that Rich's group the SCU

907
00:40:12,830 --> 00:40:10,110
tried to reach out in contact some of

908
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:12,840
the Roosevelt aviators and some of their

909
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:15,330
commanders and I don't think any of them

910
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:16,710
would go on the record because of their

911
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:27,660
status so did you say I want to say

912
00:40:31,570 --> 00:40:29,160
something about the helicopter tooks is

913
00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:31,580
you know he'd been listening to you guys

914
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:34,230
one of my friends Jill Murcia has a blog

915
00:40:40,580 --> 00:40:38,700
and he posted last week I think it was

916
00:40:43,070 --> 00:40:40,590
grant Cameron who was on fade to black

917
00:40:47,180 --> 00:40:43,080
and he went on and said he knows he's

918
00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:47,190
Italian researchers Paolo Paolo Harris I

919
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:49,470
think one of them that said you know the

920
00:40:55,580 --> 00:40:53,730
that they twisted that case that the the

921
00:40:58,820 --> 00:40:55,590
helicopter supposedly according to them

922
00:41:00,559 --> 00:40:58,830
wasn't actually shot down by anything it

923
00:41:03,259 --> 00:41:00,569
didn't like shoot a beam or something

924
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:03,269
but it was forced on by some type of

925
00:41:13,009 --> 00:41:10,890
electromagnetic problem so yeah all

926
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:13,019
right interesting but that's grant

927
00:41:19,549 --> 00:41:14,609
Cameron so if anyone's interested you

928
00:41:22,699 --> 00:41:19,559
can look at that on that blog guy um I

929
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:22,709
wanted to drink up Richard Doty was he

930
00:41:26,359 --> 00:41:24,329
brought up a little bit Frank during

931
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:26,369
this uh yeah during episode five I've

932
00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:28,410
got that on my notes here and I thought

933
00:41:31,999 --> 00:41:30,119
that was pretty interesting he seems to

934
00:41:34,249 --> 00:41:32,009
be working his way back into the news

935
00:41:36,949 --> 00:41:34,259
again and they took a little bit of a

936
00:41:39,169 --> 00:41:36,959
segment and basically dedicated to that

937
00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:39,179
to kind of knocking Dodie a little bit

938
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:41,849
and Elizondo stating that he is not

939
00:41:47,509 --> 00:41:45,569
Richard Dodie Dodie is a guy who likely

940
00:41:49,309 --> 00:41:47,519
has I've been involved in leaked

941
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,319
documents that type of thing to the UFO

942
00:41:55,609 --> 00:41:51,839
community over a period of years decades

943
00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:55,619
now actually and he was in that for a

944
00:41:58,669 --> 00:41:57,150
little bit of a drubbing there from that

945
00:42:00,650 --> 00:41:58,679
Lizardo when I was wondering if anybody

946
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:00,660
on the panel I had any thoughts about

947
00:42:08,899 --> 00:42:02,130
that sure that came as a bit of a

948
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:08,909
surprise to me yeah I wasn't this to see

949
00:42:14,919 --> 00:42:11,880
Dodie kidding once attention even if

950
00:42:18,049 --> 00:42:14,929
it's negative I mean we saw his

951
00:42:20,269 --> 00:42:18,059
presentation at the UFO Megacon and he

952
00:42:22,789 --> 00:42:20,279
basically spoke for an entire hour why

953
00:42:25,099 --> 00:42:22,799
he wasn't to be held responsible for his

954
00:42:27,259 --> 00:42:25,109
actions and the Paul bennewitz case and

955
00:42:32,289 --> 00:42:27,269
and I just found it very insulting and

956
00:42:34,759 --> 00:42:32,299
and you know this this he's up to his

957
00:42:39,529 --> 00:42:34,769
well I mean he's still doing it he just

958
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:39,539
can't understand like ufology yeah you

959
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:41,640
see he's still out there he sees it he's

960
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:44,249
an admitted and proven disinformation

961
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:46,890
misinformation guy I mean come on this

962
00:42:52,729 --> 00:42:49,380
this is this is you know an enemy of

963
00:42:54,949 --> 00:42:52,739
ufology not not anybody to be you know

964
00:42:58,159 --> 00:42:54,959
paraded out at conferences and talk and

965
00:43:01,159 --> 00:42:58,169
see how great he is it's I'm offended by

966
00:43:02,689 --> 00:43:01,169
him well Dave you guys should meet him

967
00:43:04,699 --> 00:43:02,699
when you were out there and not Nevada

968
00:43:09,979 --> 00:43:04,709
so tell us a little bit about that

969
00:43:11,779 --> 00:43:09,989
experience um I didn't meet him no but I

970
00:43:13,459 --> 00:43:11,789
know he was there but you know again

971
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:13,469
some of us that were kind of around

972
00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:14,490
during the whole band

973
00:43:20,060 --> 00:43:16,920
it's case and read that whole thing it

974
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:20,070
just you know resonated with us and you

975
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,420
know going forward we're like wait a

976
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:23,280
second the sky you know you really

977
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:26,010
really ruin this guy's life and you know

978
00:43:29,420 --> 00:43:28,260
there's you know some of us are like

979
00:43:31,850 --> 00:43:29,430
look I'm not going to even pay attention

980
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:31,860
to Richard Doty so you're stud

981
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,130
understood yeah what basically I know

982
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:36,960
for a fact I've heard from a number of

983
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:38,400
different researchers he's still out

984
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:40,770
that dangling you know I'll tell you

985
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:43,770
everything I know when that et is really

986
00:43:48,370 --> 00:43:45,900
from we know that they're really from

987
00:43:50,930 --> 00:43:48,380
Zeta Reticuli and so on and so forth and

988
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:50,940
it's a it's just ridiculous and it is

989
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,760
disappointing to see what I think might

990
00:43:58,070 --> 00:43:56,160
well be some of his work getting passed

991
00:43:59,720 --> 00:43:58,080
around now we're spending a lot of time

992
00:44:02,450 --> 00:43:59,730
on that some other shows that we've done

993
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:02,460
going into all that but you know his

994
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:05,130
name has finally come up and he is

995
00:44:09,859 --> 00:44:08,400
saying that the documents that are

996
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:09,869
floating around out there now that are

997
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:11,010
getting a lot of discussion or

998
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:13,380
legitimate I have no idea how he would

999
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:15,780
know that but you know that's about

1000
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:17,850
where we're at with Dodi right now and I

1001
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:19,740
was I was kind of glad surprised but

1002
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:22,200
glad to see Elizondo because this track

1003
00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:23,880
record has been pretty solid

1004
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:25,800
you know the witnesses he's brought the

1005
00:44:30,830 --> 00:44:29,040
details that they bring with them that

1006
00:44:32,180 --> 00:44:30,840
is that is pretty solid stuff as

1007
00:44:34,820 --> 00:44:32,190
compared to the fiction that though he's

1008
00:44:38,210 --> 00:44:34,830
been involved with over the years yep

1009
00:44:39,710 --> 00:44:38,220
Ginga doctor Irena Scott do you have any

1010
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:39,720
more input to share with us on this

1011
00:44:43,630 --> 00:44:41,940
series I guess no he's been

1012
00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:43,640
disinformation

1013
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:47,070
time ever since he showed up in UFOs

1014
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:51,180
live in profile on that TV show a long

1015
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:53,940
time ago and he presented himself as

1016
00:44:59,390 --> 00:44:57,440
real government agent and then he's been

1017
00:45:03,230 --> 00:44:59,400
presenting himself that way ever since

1018
00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:03,240
although she said this information agent

1019
00:45:08,990 --> 00:45:07,859
and what he presents it's pure

1020
00:45:11,450 --> 00:45:09,000
disinformation

1021
00:45:13,970 --> 00:45:11,460
I mean Richards OD is you don't want to

1022
00:45:16,220 --> 00:45:13,980
listen to that guy you know he ruined

1023
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:16,230
Paul bennewitz his life I mean you could

1024
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:18,119
you could actually say that he's

1025
00:45:24,859 --> 00:45:21,690
responsible for his death that's where

1026
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,869
you know where it started from you know

1027
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,400
similar stuff happened to James

1028
00:45:32,029 --> 00:45:28,079
Forrestal back in the day

1029
00:45:34,429 --> 00:45:32,039
and Lord knows we don't need disinfo

1030
00:45:38,359 --> 00:45:34,439
agents what somebody besmirches there

1031
00:45:40,699 --> 00:45:38,369
you know haha their word that way you

1032
00:45:42,859 --> 00:45:40,709
can pretty much write them off please

1033
00:45:44,749 --> 00:45:42,869
give me bad information several people

1034
00:45:52,429 --> 00:45:44,759
like Linda Moulton Howe I think you did

1035
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:52,439
something to her yes man but you know

1036
00:46:00,229 --> 00:45:55,140
the sad thing is is that this has gone

1037
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:00,239
on long and generations of people you

1038
00:46:04,669 --> 00:46:02,880
know coming into ufology and they don't

1039
00:46:07,579 --> 00:46:04,679
have that past experience with somebody

1040
00:46:10,489 --> 00:46:07,589
like him or there's some other cases you

1041
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:10,499
know like the the autopsy video and

1042
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:12,209
stuff where you know this stuff gets

1043
00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:14,910
recycled now and so yeah you know even

1044
00:46:19,449 --> 00:46:16,619
though people spend a great deal of time

1045
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,459
and effort you know verifying or

1046
00:46:24,410 --> 00:46:21,599
disqualifying that kind of information

1047
00:46:26,509 --> 00:46:24,420
all that effort only to be repeated

1048
00:46:29,299 --> 00:46:26,519
another decade or two decades later and

1049
00:46:31,009 --> 00:46:29,309
it just keeps coming up and resurfacing

1050
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:31,019
and some people think it's real and

1051
00:46:36,229 --> 00:46:33,660
others know it's total BS but you still

1052
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:36,239
got to you know grind it out and waste

1053
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:37,650
the time and effort on that when we have

1054
00:46:42,169 --> 00:46:39,089
these huge exciting things that are

1055
00:46:44,809 --> 00:46:42,179
happening with you know TTS say and and

1056
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:44,819
and the the Nimitz case and the

1057
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:47,249
Roosevelt case and all of those things

1058
00:46:55,009 --> 00:46:49,529
so it's kind of a shame but I guess it's

1059
00:46:56,779 --> 00:46:55,019
just the nature of the beat you know

1060
00:47:02,359 --> 00:46:56,789
he's trying to tag his card onto the

1061
00:47:07,789 --> 00:47:02,369
train and we don't need it he already

1062
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:07,799
shoveled that pile to us 20 years I want

1063
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:11,099
to ask the panel a question there's a

1064
00:47:15,499 --> 00:47:13,049
gentleman by the name of Richard Haines

1065
00:47:17,689 --> 00:47:15,509
a retired NASA research scientist and

1066
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:17,699
former chief of the space human factors

1067
00:47:23,809 --> 00:47:20,130
office at the Ames Research Center a

1068
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:23,819
quote from him wanted to go ahead and

1069
00:47:29,089 --> 00:47:26,609
start the quote that's my experience in

1070
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:29,099
general you are exactly right I share

1071
00:47:32,209 --> 00:47:30,559
your view that it is extremely

1072
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,219
multi-dimensional he means the

1073
00:47:37,099 --> 00:47:33,839
phenomenon we're talking about being

1074
00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:37,109
UFOs so much so that traditional science

1075
00:47:40,609 --> 00:47:38,910
is really not up to the task

1076
00:47:41,780 --> 00:47:40,619
now that's an insight that has come

1077
00:47:43,940 --> 00:47:41,790
slowly over the years

1078
00:47:45,980 --> 00:47:43,950
because i clunked to science as a method

1079
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:45,990
a technique to tease out these fine

1080
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:47,850
points and eventually get to the bottom

1081
00:47:52,820 --> 00:47:50,250
[\h__\h] but the longer I am looking at the

1082
00:47:55,220 --> 00:47:52,830
evidence the less I am convinced that's

1083
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:55,230
the way to go there certainly is part of

1084
00:47:59,000 --> 00:47:56,970
the phenomenon that will yield to

1085
00:48:01,580 --> 00:47:59,010
science but there's a whole other

1086
00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:01,590
psychic or psychological dimension that

1087
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:03,510
not even psychology is going to come

1088
00:48:07,820 --> 00:48:05,640
close to I can see why a lot of my

1089
00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:07,830
colleagues are in denial about this my

1090
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,230
question to the panel is do you think

1091
00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:12,720
there is a limitation regarding the

1092
00:48:17,690 --> 00:48:14,670
traditional science standards we use in

1093
00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:17,700
order to study the UAP or UFO phenomenon

1094
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:21,150
that we're talking about Jeff Crouse

1095
00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:21,930
here

1096
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:28,470
we don't even know really how to

1097
00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:30,930
quantify the technology we're seeing in

1098
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:36,660
some cases or scientific tools to

1099
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:38,970
analyze it let alone replicate it at

1100
00:48:43,550 --> 00:48:41,400
this point it just shows how much we

1101
00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:43,560
really do have to learn still but what

1102
00:48:49,610 --> 00:48:46,200
it does do is show us the areas that we

1103
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:49,620
need to focus more questions more

1104
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:52,640
investigation and a lot more research

1105
00:48:57,740 --> 00:48:56,130
and that in itself is very valuable now

1106
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:57,750
what now what kind of areas that we need

1107
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:00,720
more of the research on there Jeff well

1108
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:03,660
and being able to catch up to the flight

1109
00:49:09,230 --> 00:49:06,690
capabilities for one thing would be of a

1110
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:09,240
major concern both as far as national

1111
00:49:16,580 --> 00:49:11,850
security goes and technological

1112
00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:16,590
breakthroughs the energy that's used to

1113
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:19,380
propel whatever craft they have could

1114
00:49:24,290 --> 00:49:21,570
answer many of the problems we have on

1115
00:49:27,140 --> 00:49:24,300
the planet itself be it you know helping

1116
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:27,150
poor nations have power and clean water

1117
00:49:32,330 --> 00:49:30,510
and food or you know perhaps even our

1118
00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:32,340
travel to the Stars it could be the key

1119
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,880
to that so it opens up you know quite a

1120
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:37,440
few things that we need to pay more

1121
00:49:42,830 --> 00:49:39,930
attention to and do a lot more research

1122
00:49:45,590 --> 00:49:42,840
on and verifies that it's an actual

1123
00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:45,600
field where you know there is scientific

1124
00:49:50,780 --> 00:49:48,600
data to get now on the flip hand I got

1125
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:50,790
to agree with dr. Scott in her

1126
00:49:59,570 --> 00:49:55,530
evaluation in UFOs today of you know how

1127
00:50:02,060 --> 00:49:59,580
do you necessarily study a phenomena

1128
00:50:06,010 --> 00:50:02,070
that's constantly changing as you study

1129
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,020
it you know some of the things that do

1130
00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:08,640
changing shape while you're watching or

1131
00:50:14,450 --> 00:50:11,990
you know changing speeds and directions

1132
00:50:17,150 --> 00:50:14,460
things that we have no way of

1133
00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:17,160
replicating or measuring or splitting

1134
00:50:22,610 --> 00:50:19,800
into multiple objects or multiple

1135
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:22,620
objects becoming one object no that's

1136
00:50:29,980 --> 00:50:25,290
totally beyond our science to replicate

1137
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:29,990
and to be able to really evaluate and

1138
00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:34,110
like like the research of dr. Harley

1139
00:50:41,630 --> 00:50:39,240
Rutledge he spent he researched UFOs in

1140
00:50:45,980 --> 00:50:41,640
real time before they actually had

1141
00:50:49,550 --> 00:50:45,990
observation posts and watch them with

1142
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:49,560
instruments and he reported that they

1143
00:50:56,260 --> 00:50:52,290
were very subtle and that possibly they

1144
00:50:59,810 --> 00:50:56,270
knew what the observers were thinking

1145
00:51:04,220 --> 00:50:59,820
which was a very scientific studying the

1146
00:51:09,220 --> 00:51:04,230
only one done that what he Rutledge did

1147
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,690
when there was a flat Missouri it's like

1148
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:17,280
a double slit experiment where the

1149
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:20,910
observer disturbs the it's not I mean we

1150
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:23,490
no matter how much we want to be

1151
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:26,250
observers we're on slide under the

1152
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:28,110
microscope and once you touch the

1153
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:31,410
phenomenon it's interactive and you know

1154
00:51:35,230 --> 00:51:32,850
it's like the double slit experiment

1155
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:35,240
whether expecting a wave or a particle

1156
00:51:41,540 --> 00:51:38,730
what you're expecting will you know it

1157
00:51:44,590 --> 00:51:41,550
will cause the result that you get so

1158
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:44,600
we're we can't really exclude ourselves

1159
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:47,700
and consider ourselves outside observers

1160
00:51:52,850 --> 00:51:50,250
it's an interactive phenomena whether we

1161
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,860
want it to be or not so then what do we

1162
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:54,960
do what what do we do then if science

1163
00:51:59,240 --> 00:51:56,880
seems to be limited regarding being able

1164
00:52:01,970 --> 00:51:59,250
to study and research this kind of

1165
00:52:09,339 --> 00:52:01,980
phenomenon in the full breadth of its

1166
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:09,349
scope so controlled experimentation

1167
00:52:14,499 --> 00:52:12,410
and it doesn't have a opening for things

1168
00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:14,509
you can't control and that's one problem

1169
00:52:22,299 --> 00:52:19,670
with science okay I wanted to bring up

1170
00:52:35,170 --> 00:52:22,309
something that happened during our go

1171
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:35,180
ahead the question to you I was just

1172
00:52:39,940 --> 00:52:38,569
gonna I mean Shan Shan pretty much

1173
00:52:42,099 --> 00:52:39,950
everything you're saying is breaking up

1174
00:52:47,229 --> 00:52:42,109
unfortunately he does stuff that can

1175
00:52:50,650 --> 00:52:47,239
week what didn't analyze when it this

1176
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:50,660
lesson okay well I did want to bring up

1177
00:52:55,150 --> 00:52:51,529
something interesting that happened

1178
00:52:58,299 --> 00:52:55,160
during our USS Nimitz and Princeton show

1179
00:53:01,690 --> 00:52:58,309
make a panel of Frank and Dave and

1180
00:53:04,450 --> 00:53:01,700
wanted to mention how one of the guys on

1181
00:53:08,049 --> 00:53:04,460
the show said when I asked do you

1182
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:08,059
believe that this was a UFO or one of

1183
00:53:12,219 --> 00:53:09,920
our own meaning one of our own crafts

1184
00:53:14,410 --> 00:53:12,229
and one of them actually said they felt

1185
00:53:16,539 --> 00:53:14,420
it could be one of our our own crafts

1186
00:53:17,829 --> 00:53:16,549
yeah I think Gary was the most adamant

1187
00:53:19,779 --> 00:53:17,839
about that and that is that kind of

1188
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:19,789
interesting because yes we're seeing is

1189
00:53:24,339 --> 00:53:21,650
a lot of witnesses coming forward and

1190
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:24,349
they sort of know what they know they

1191
00:53:28,749 --> 00:53:26,450
know their own experience but they don't

1192
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,759
know the whole history and how the type

1193
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:30,319
of behaviors that they're witnessing is

1194
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:32,930
not dissimilar at all in fact it's very

1195
00:53:38,049 --> 00:53:35,119
similar in bits and pieces to what we've

1196
00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:38,059
been hearing going back 75 years now

1197
00:53:42,279 --> 00:53:40,670
yeah and I was wondering if there's a

1198
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:42,289
you know there's a little bit of a

1199
00:53:46,420 --> 00:53:44,930
disconnect that people need to get up on

1200
00:53:48,729 --> 00:53:46,430
the history of all this a little bit

1201
00:53:50,979 --> 00:53:48,739
better and not think of this as just

1202
00:53:52,959 --> 00:53:50,989
some kind of a contemporary experience

1203
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:52,969
that there is a long track record of

1204
00:53:58,569 --> 00:53:55,609
this type of thing going on dr. Bruce

1205
00:54:00,849 --> 00:53:58,579
Maccabee I mean he came for I mean he

1206
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,859
was you know we were we were you know

1207
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:02,960
conversing on Facebook and he's been

1208
00:54:07,630 --> 00:54:05,690
[\h__\h] you know I mean this is nothing new

1209
00:54:10,180 --> 00:54:07,640
everything that's being described by

1210
00:54:14,049 --> 00:54:10,190
these pilots you know the 90-degree

1211
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:14,059
turns at Mac 5 and etc that this has

1212
00:54:21,549 --> 00:54:17,839
been reported since the 1940s so if it

1213
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:21,559
was our technology you know I'm sure we

1214
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:22,250
haven't been do

1215
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:26,450
since 1940 I mean come on it does get

1216
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:29,210
into this hazy area where you know we've

1217
00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:31,609
advanced so much now since you know the

1218
00:54:36,220 --> 00:54:33,260
days of that just breaking the sound

1219
00:54:38,290 --> 00:54:36,230
barrier and even not long after that the

1220
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:38,300
Mach 2 was broken the gyro and thinking

1221
00:54:44,380 --> 00:54:42,410
53 if I remember correctly and this kind

1222
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:44,390
of thing goes back a long ways we were

1223
00:54:50,109 --> 00:54:47,570
we know what those benchmarks were back

1224
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:50,119
then now we know what they were and if

1225
00:54:55,570 --> 00:54:52,250
you've got something before the sound

1226
00:54:58,180 --> 00:54:55,580
barrier was broken at roughly 760 miles

1227
00:54:59,500 --> 00:54:58,190
an hour going several times that we

1228
00:55:00,760 --> 00:54:59,510
didn't have anything like that back then

1229
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:00,770
we didn't have anything like that

1230
00:55:05,380 --> 00:55:02,450
through the 50s nowadays it gets a

1231
00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:05,390
little hairier but we know we didn't

1232
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:06,980
have it back then and these UFOs were

1233
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:10,510
doing the same kind of thing nothing

1234
00:55:18,609 --> 00:55:15,200
sorry the thing that I keep hearing from

1235
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:18,619
from everyone with barge 2 is Adi in

1236
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:22,480
here with regards to the phenomenon is

1237
00:55:28,270 --> 00:55:25,849
is it kids coming back to how do we get

1238
00:55:30,460 --> 00:55:28,280
there and if we had that technology we

1239
00:55:32,530 --> 00:55:30,470
could use this and that it feels like

1240
00:55:34,839 --> 00:55:32,540
especially now with the you know

1241
00:55:36,359 --> 00:55:34,849
administration and the world that we're

1242
00:55:39,849 --> 00:55:36,369
in and the fact that we're still

1243
00:55:42,370 --> 00:55:39,859
bickering and there's egos run by our

1244
00:55:44,650 --> 00:55:42,380
leaders and stuff it feels like the

1245
00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:44,660
reality is this we're a bunch of kids

1246
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:46,520
staying on the side of the road watching

1247
00:55:51,130 --> 00:55:49,490
cars race by and we're complaining that

1248
00:55:53,770 --> 00:55:51,140
we can't get in and drive one of those

1249
00:55:57,849 --> 00:55:53,780
things we're not ready yet we are in

1250
00:56:01,210 --> 00:55:57,859
know no sign of the you know spectrum

1251
00:56:04,210 --> 00:56:01,220
that is near mature enough to be able to

1252
00:56:06,099 --> 00:56:04,220
handle technology like that it just

1253
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:06,109
seems to me that these guys have gotten

1254
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:07,910
to a place where they haven't perverted

1255
00:56:13,450 --> 00:56:10,130
their technology to to weaponize it

1256
00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:13,460
and we would we do with everything most

1257
00:56:16,450 --> 00:56:14,990
of the patents are by the government

1258
00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:16,460
every time someone comes up with a new

1259
00:56:22,750 --> 00:56:20,510
energetic new energy you know resolve

1260
00:56:25,690 --> 00:56:22,760
the government says oh that could be you

1261
00:56:28,270 --> 00:56:25,700
know whatever and they snatch it so you

1262
00:56:30,070 --> 00:56:28,280
know I feel like the RIC pony is and I

1263
00:56:32,829 --> 00:56:30,080
don't want to be a killjoy but it feels

1264
00:56:34,750 --> 00:56:32,839
like the reality is we should in some

1265
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:34,760
part kind of sit back and enjoy the show

1266
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:36,050
take notes

1267
00:56:40,450 --> 00:56:38,330
but ultimately not ask them to come in

1268
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:40,460
share the technology with us solve our

1269
00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:43,610
own problems that we've created and this

1270
00:56:47,170 --> 00:56:45,320
is Keith um one of the things that's

1271
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,180
that's kind of been frustrating for me

1272
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:49,280
from coming from the outside and then

1273
00:56:52,450 --> 00:56:50,570
doing all this research and then

1274
00:56:54,190 --> 00:56:52,460
obviously working on the entertainment

1275
00:56:56,530 --> 00:56:54,200
side but then actually really getting

1276
00:56:59,080 --> 00:56:56,540
heavily involved in the research in the

1277
00:57:00,310 --> 00:56:59,090
community and meeting with with not just

1278
00:57:02,110 --> 00:57:00,320
eyewitnesses but a lot of the

1279
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:02,120
ufo-ologists and really discussing a lot

1280
00:57:05,860 --> 00:57:04,490
of the issues about disclosure and one

1281
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,870
of the things that to me was really

1282
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:07,280
frustrated as you look all the way back

1283
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:09,410
in like 1957 and you had like the Milton

1284
00:57:14,860 --> 00:57:11,690
Torres case and you know here you've got

1285
00:57:17,590 --> 00:57:14,870
a guy who is a pilot who engages a craft

1286
00:57:19,810 --> 00:57:17,600
and still were not much further than

1287
00:57:23,370 --> 00:57:19,820
that case from 1957 we still don't have

1288
00:57:26,350 --> 00:57:23,380
that smoking gun that has provoked this

1289
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:26,360
this worldwide action by the government

1290
00:57:29,890 --> 00:57:28,370
to actually come out and talk about

1291
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:29,900
these things we keep getting the reports

1292
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:31,310
on the pilots we keep seeing the footage

1293
00:57:35,980 --> 00:57:34,400
and within the community we know that

1294
00:57:38,740 --> 00:57:35,990
there's absolutely something happening

1295
00:57:41,530 --> 00:57:38,750
but the massive public hasn't really

1296
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:41,540
received that disclosure and so like

1297
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:43,130
what Dean was saying it's great to sit

1298
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:45,290
back and watch the show but to be in the

1299
00:57:48,790 --> 00:57:46,880
middle of it and being frustrated that

1300
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:48,800
we haven't made enough progress is the

1301
00:57:52,270 --> 00:57:50,930
tough part as a filmmaker to because we

1302
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:52,280
want to play in these stories and get

1303
00:57:57,250 --> 00:57:54,050
the younger generations inspired to do

1304
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:57,260
the research but you get swept up in all

1305
00:58:00,490 --> 00:57:58,880
of the sort of the fake news and

1306
00:58:02,350 --> 00:58:00,500
everything else that comes out and I'm

1307
00:58:04,930 --> 00:58:02,360
glad you mention the Milton Torres race

1308
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:04,940
because he is a an amazing witness no

1309
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:08,870
question about it for anyone who wants

1310
00:58:11,530 --> 00:58:09,650
to see everybody

1311
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:11,540
I think his accounts are over there on

1312
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:13,610
YouTube and you can go and just

1313
00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:17,210
basically just search for Milton Torres

1314
00:58:22,180 --> 00:58:19,910
tío double are yes as I believe the way

1315
00:58:24,430 --> 00:58:22,190
he spells it and watch his account of

1316
00:58:28,090 --> 00:58:24,440
his case over in England back in the 50s

1317
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:28,100
and it's an amazing case I have two

1318
00:58:32,650 --> 00:58:31,010
things I want to bring up one is Jan

1319
00:58:34,990 --> 00:58:32,660
Harz and the international director of

1320
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:35,000
MUFON went ahead and gave me a quote on

1321
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:37,490
the History Channel's unidentified

1322
00:58:41,620 --> 00:58:39,200
series show I'm going to go ahead and

1323
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:41,630
begin the quote on the heels of a wildly

1324
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:44,210
successful Project Blue Book on history

1325
00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:45,680
but recreating the air force's

1326
00:58:49,810 --> 00:58:48,230
investigation into UFOs 50 years ago

1327
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:49,820
unidentified bring

1328
00:58:54,460 --> 00:58:52,130
to the here-now of what is happening

1329
00:58:57,310 --> 00:58:54,470
with UFOs and our military today

1330
00:58:59,890 --> 00:58:57,320
especially with US Navy a big shout-out

1331
00:59:02,620 --> 00:58:59,900
to Tom DeLonge Lou Elizondo and the

1332
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:02,630
entire team at TTS a keep up the great

1333
00:59:04,990 --> 00:59:03,050
work

1334
00:59:09,370 --> 00:59:05,000
MUFON continues to be the People's Voice

1335
00:59:10,900 --> 00:59:09,380
in UFOs receiving nearly 1,000 UFO

1336
00:59:12,790 --> 00:59:10,910
reports each month from the public

1337
00:59:14,740 --> 00:59:12,800
including the military pilot law

1338
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:14,750
enforcement witnesses as well as the

1339
00:59:19,300 --> 00:59:16,970
general public I think it is safe to say

1340
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,310
that disclosure has happened and MUFON

1341
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:20,960
looks worch is taking the subject to the

1342
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,880
next level and leading the discussion

1343
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:25,040
with the general public on what this all

1344
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:27,200
means stay tuned I would also like to

1345
00:59:31,780 --> 00:59:29,210
introduce on to the show one of our

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00:59:35,020 --> 00:59:31,790
friends Dean Ashley hi Dean how are you

1347
00:59:36,730 --> 00:59:35,030
doing today pretty good everyone really

1348
00:59:38,170 --> 00:59:36,740
well I was wondering would you mind just

1349
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,180
sharing a little bit about your

1350
00:59:42,190 --> 00:59:40,400
background briefly and then telling us

1351
00:59:48,660 --> 00:59:42,200
your perspective regarding the

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00:59:54,610 --> 00:59:51,790
electronics technician in the Navy I got

1353
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:54,620
out back in 2000 I've been working on it

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00:59:59,710 --> 00:59:56,930
like aviation and computer electronics

1355
01:00:04,150 --> 00:59:59,720
for the last you know however many year

1356
01:00:07,390 --> 01:00:04,160
19 years so what I worked on was like

1357
01:00:11,770 --> 01:00:07,400
video guidance missile systems the slam

1358
01:00:16,270 --> 01:00:11,780
er and now I work on infrared cameras

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01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:16,280
for agency as the contractor that's

1360
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:19,910
fantastic I know you that you saw a few

1361
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:22,010
the unidentified shows what did you

1362
01:00:27,790 --> 01:00:24,530
think of them how were they for you what

1363
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:27,800
was your take away yeah but they're

1364
01:00:35,860 --> 01:00:30,790
pretty good down-to-earth pretty basic

1365
01:00:39,370 --> 01:00:35,870
there wasn't anything that startled me

1366
01:00:41,620 --> 01:00:39,380
or it was a revelation there was some

1367
01:00:43,810 --> 01:00:41,630
cool things like last episode I like the

1368
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:43,820
Italian government trying to work with

1369
01:00:48,750 --> 01:00:46,730
our government and I thought it was

1370
01:00:54,910 --> 01:00:48,760
actually pretty well written well done

1371
01:00:56,050 --> 01:00:54,920
like I said down-to-earth frank knowing

1372
01:00:56,980 --> 01:00:56,060
Dan's background did you have any

1373
01:01:00,040 --> 01:00:56,990
questions for him

1374
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:00,050
yeah I did want to get into the videos a

1375
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:03,480
little bit you did some study on those

1376
01:01:09,950 --> 01:01:07,050
and have also taken a lot of FLIR video

1377
01:01:11,300 --> 01:01:09,960
of different types of aircraft and one

1378
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:11,310
today you to talk about that a little

1379
01:01:19,700 --> 01:01:17,280
bit if you could absolutely still I

1380
01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:19,710
think it was a few years ago maybe three

1381
01:01:24,050 --> 01:01:22,230
or four years ago I was looking at just

1382
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,060
random things online and I came across

1383
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:27,359
the idea UFO case and I gotten in

1384
01:01:35,859 --> 01:01:31,290
contact with with rich and Robert over

1385
01:01:38,330 --> 01:01:35,869
there at SCU and we discuss things and

1386
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:38,340
you know they put together a report and

1387
01:01:44,330 --> 01:01:41,760
I did a little bit of trying to help

1388
01:01:46,340 --> 01:01:44,340
them out with the videos and after that

1389
01:01:50,750 --> 01:01:46,350
I got an interest in it so I started

1390
01:01:52,580 --> 01:01:50,760
recording things mainly aircraft but

1391
01:01:55,849 --> 01:01:52,590
also other things are flying that in the

1392
01:01:58,690 --> 01:01:55,859
sky so you can differentiate what looks

1393
01:02:01,040 --> 01:01:58,700
like to be a jet what would be a bird or

1394
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:01,050
you know that's why I started taking

1395
01:02:09,460 --> 01:02:04,650
these videos just to just get like a

1396
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:12,290
got it and getting back to the show I

1397
01:02:16,670 --> 01:02:14,760
thought that the one not entirely a

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01:02:18,490 --> 01:02:16,680
surprise that we always expected it to

1399
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:18,500
be true but there's some things were

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01:02:23,810 --> 01:02:21,510
confirmed as part of the show and one of

1401
01:02:25,849 --> 01:02:23,820
those things was that there is an inside

1402
01:02:29,090 --> 01:02:25,859
team within the intelligence community

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01:02:31,220 --> 01:02:29,100
I'm assuming it's the Pentagon that T

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01:02:33,530 --> 01:02:31,230
TSA is working with and I wondered if

1405
01:02:35,450 --> 01:02:33,540
anybody had any thoughts on that well

1406
01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:35,460
there was that one big meeting this is

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01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:46,260
at Dien OG where they all got together

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01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,050
and they child in them in the

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01:02:52,670 --> 01:02:51,359
unidentified show they tile the

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:52,680
officials that they're a meeting with

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01:03:01,210 --> 01:02:55,650
and yet they were meeting in a hotel

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01:03:01,220 --> 01:03:06,400
[Laughter]

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01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:12,040
this is all just a quote from Louise

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01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:15,240
Elizondo and I thought that this was

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01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:17,530
really kind of interesting the

1416
01:03:23,220 --> 01:03:20,770
that they haven't really stopped the

1417
01:03:25,470 --> 01:03:23,230
Pentagon I mean it has not really

1418
01:03:28,830 --> 01:03:25,480
stopped their investigation yeah I mean

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01:03:30,510 --> 01:03:28,840
that goes on still he said and the DoD

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01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:30,520
two things occur when you have an

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01:03:34,860 --> 01:03:32,650
organization there's paperwork when you

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01:03:37,620 --> 01:03:34,870
start a program and there's paperwork

1423
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:37,630
when you end a program you will not find

1424
01:03:43,770 --> 01:03:41,530
any paperwork that ended a tip so I

1425
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:43,780
thought that that was very interesting

1426
01:03:47,940 --> 01:03:46,240
it's not like this has been handed only

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01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:47,950
to the public I mean the Pentagon is

1428
01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:51,910
still very actively you know assessing

1429
01:03:55,980 --> 01:03:54,190
this and of course they're assessing it

1430
01:03:56,940 --> 01:03:55,990
as a threat because that's what they're

1431
01:03:58,830 --> 01:03:56,950
supposed to do

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01:04:01,980 --> 01:03:58,840
that's the Pentagon that's what we you

1433
01:04:04,500 --> 01:04:01,990
know elect our officials to do but I

1434
01:04:06,690 --> 01:04:04,510
thought that Louise Elizondo is was very

1435
01:04:09,540 --> 01:04:06,700
forthcoming in that and the and he

1436
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:09,550
didn't let us know that this is not like

1437
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:12,250
it's you know like like the officials

1438
01:04:19,620 --> 01:04:16,960
have lost interest in in this phenomenon

1439
01:04:21,810 --> 01:04:19,630
they're they're very interested and

1440
01:04:24,270 --> 01:04:21,820
there's a few unusual things that we

1441
01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:24,280
have not seen number one all we have

1442
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:27,190
seen is information from the Navy we

1443
01:04:29,700 --> 01:04:28,480
haven't gotten anything from the Air

1444
01:04:32,310 --> 01:04:29,710
Force which i think is quite interesting

1445
01:04:34,860 --> 01:04:32,320
and we have also not heard anything

1446
01:04:38,100 --> 01:04:34,870
about the most famous case that took

1447
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:38,110
place while a tip was in operation from

1448
01:04:44,850 --> 01:04:42,370
I guess was what Oh 8 to 13 or 14

1449
01:04:46,890 --> 01:04:44,860
somewhere in that timeframe was that we

1450
01:04:49,950 --> 01:04:46,900
have not heard about the Stephenville

1451
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:49,960
case and I wonder if anyone has any

1452
01:04:53,610 --> 01:04:51,970
thoughts on that because I love that

1453
01:04:56,220 --> 01:04:53,620
Stephenville case I think the witnesses

1454
01:04:59,160 --> 01:04:56,230
are awesome it got that entire community

1455
01:05:02,460 --> 01:04:59,170
that all of Erath County pretty worked

1456
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:02,470
up in into a UFO fever lather back in

1457
01:05:06,660 --> 01:05:04,690
2008 we haven't heard anything about

1458
01:05:11,780 --> 01:05:06,670
that I think that's awfully interesting

1459
01:05:18,060 --> 01:05:14,160
yeah that's probably just too sensitive

1460
01:05:20,460 --> 01:05:18,070
you know and it's it's not gonna be the

1461
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:20,470
weld upon until they get their head

1462
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:22,330
around it but I was gonna also add

1463
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:25,090
hopefully you guys can hear this too to

1464
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:27,490
Earl's point is you know within

1465
01:05:31,390 --> 01:05:30,160
government you you have a the higher

1466
01:05:34,599 --> 01:05:31,400
level is a

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01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:34,609
program the low or level of the project

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01:05:39,970 --> 01:05:37,490
and just like you know a tip is really a

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01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:39,980
project level versus Asaf which would be

1470
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:43,760
a program level and and there's really

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01:05:52,569 --> 01:05:50,450
two budget it's right in you clear and

1472
01:05:55,210 --> 01:05:52,579
self-contained you know organizational

1473
01:05:59,710 --> 01:05:55,220
division that you're within and those

1474
01:06:02,109 --> 01:05:59,720
can come and go well however one can

1475
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:02,119
continue on and the program budget is

1476
01:06:07,329 --> 01:06:05,359
again on a different level and so is no

1477
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:07,339
shock or surprise to me whatsoever that

1478
01:06:15,849 --> 01:06:10,730
that the claim is that eight tip you

1479
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:15,859
know started it and didn't and but again

1480
01:06:21,370 --> 01:06:18,890
project level they're currently you know

1481
01:06:23,319 --> 01:06:21,380
before and after this one and it may be

1482
01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:23,329
continuing and either it's the same name

1483
01:06:33,970 --> 01:06:25,369
or a different name but that's twenty

1484
01:06:36,130 --> 01:06:33,980
two million in dollars okay yeah you

1485
01:06:38,890 --> 01:06:36,140
break it up you're breaking up a little

1486
01:06:41,279 --> 01:06:38,900
bit Shan Shan unfortunately so right

1487
01:06:44,260 --> 01:06:41,289
yeah chant that what have you got I

1488
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:44,270
wanted to ask doctor Irena Scott if she

1489
01:06:49,779 --> 01:06:46,930
had any more input she wanted to share

1490
01:06:57,970 --> 01:06:49,789
one suspect the government probably has

1491
01:07:07,289 --> 01:06:57,980
been o someplace but meets now I suspect

1492
01:07:13,809 --> 01:07:10,210
Dean you know earlier we brought up yeah

1493
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:13,819
the perspective that some folks are

1494
01:07:20,769 --> 01:07:16,160
taking away from the unidentified series

1495
01:07:23,140 --> 01:07:20,779
show and that is that it appears as

1496
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:23,150
though this show is making it look like

1497
01:07:30,430 --> 01:07:28,250
UFOs or ET crafts are threat to us do

1498
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:30,440
you believe that's correct that the show

1499
01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:32,569
is doing that and you believe it they

1500
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:35,510
being these ET crafts or ETS are a

1501
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:43,609
threat to us if they exist dean Alioto

1502
01:07:46,910 --> 01:07:44,930
or Dean Ashley

1503
01:07:52,190 --> 01:07:46,920
for the rest of the show I'll call you

1504
01:07:59,720 --> 01:07:52,200
mr. Alioto is that okay no just oh shoot

1505
01:08:02,539 --> 01:07:59,730
he's a as well so I can't gosh okay

1506
01:08:05,420 --> 01:08:02,549
no they're not a threat how are they a

1507
01:08:08,839 --> 01:08:05,430
threat they're dancing around us kind of

1508
01:08:09,829 --> 01:08:08,849
going come on kids come over here where

1509
01:08:10,970 --> 01:08:09,839
you know we're stirring it we're doing

1510
01:08:14,359 --> 01:08:10,980
we're doing our thing here we're

1511
01:08:15,890 --> 01:08:14,369
studying this whatever you know shoo

1512
01:08:17,419 --> 01:08:15,900
sometimes it kind of like you know go

1513
01:08:20,780 --> 01:08:17,429
you know back off a little bit but again

1514
01:08:23,059 --> 01:08:20,790
on the spectrum we're we're still not

1515
01:08:24,919 --> 01:08:23,069
mature enough and so they're doing their

1516
01:08:27,769 --> 01:08:24,929
thing they know what they're doing we

1517
01:08:30,289 --> 01:08:27,779
don't on this planet we don't I mean in

1518
01:08:32,510 --> 01:08:30,299
all of our institutions sorry something

1519
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:32,520
like that I'm a cynic here but all of

1520
01:08:37,789 --> 01:08:34,770
our decisions are made of greed I don't

1521
01:08:40,010 --> 01:08:37,799
know what their decisions are but you

1522
01:08:42,829 --> 01:08:40,020
know so I feel like if they line up and

1523
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:42,839
start forcing us to do something or you

1524
01:08:49,970 --> 01:08:46,799
know rally us or Landon and and say all

1525
01:08:55,519 --> 01:08:49,980
right we now declare this planet Zig not

1526
01:08:57,229 --> 01:08:55,529
whatever then they're you know they're

1527
01:09:00,110 --> 01:08:57,239
doing their theme studying like we do

1528
01:09:01,820 --> 01:09:00,120
like Irene is done with the bonobos you

1529
01:09:04,729 --> 01:09:01,830
know this is part of the research that

1530
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:04,739
that they're doing and and it's a it's a

1531
01:09:09,559 --> 01:09:07,890
great glimpse into the future of what we

1532
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:09,569
will if we don't wipe ourselves out be

1533
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:13,520
possibly capable of okay a Dean Ashley

1534
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:15,960
what is your take on what we were just

1535
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:19,440
talking about I'm a little bit more

1536
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:23,370
skeptical I think I am I don't know what

1537
01:09:26,780 --> 01:09:24,810
it is you know I haven't ruled out a

1538
01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:26,790
DARPA project something of that nature

1539
01:09:31,970 --> 01:09:29,940
it doesn't look like aircraft to me the

1540
01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:31,980
way traditional aircraft moves in the

1541
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:34,710
sky and you know I see it every day you

1542
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:36,330
know I'm pointing flares out of that

1543
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:40,140
we're looking at this stuff yeah my

1544
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:43,250
would tend to lean more towards alien

1545
01:09:47,450 --> 01:09:45,690
spacecraft but you know I can't

1546
01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:47,460
positively say that because all we're

1547
01:09:52,249 --> 01:09:49,560
looking at as a black orb that rotates I

1548
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:52,259
can say that's it's not typical and I

1549
01:09:56,060 --> 01:09:54,719
haven't seen anything like it in my 13

1550
01:09:57,670 --> 01:09:56,070
years of working on my thing

1551
01:09:59,530 --> 01:09:57,680
so by

1552
01:10:02,740 --> 01:09:59,540
of elimination yeah it's something I'm

1553
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:02,750
not familiar with you know that's kind

1554
01:10:08,260 --> 01:10:07,010
of I have no idea what they would be

1555
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:08,270
doing here I don't know if they're like

1556
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:16,250
teenage aliens taking the car joy just

1557
01:10:20,350 --> 01:10:18,710
like you guys do but you know I'm sure

1558
01:10:22,270 --> 01:10:20,360
you're better at it I'll just have my

1559
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:22,280
own little theories I wanted to bring up

1560
01:10:27,070 --> 01:10:24,080
something that Dean Alioto brought up a

1561
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:27,080
while back and that is that he had I

1562
01:10:32,980 --> 01:10:29,810
don't know I mean he sort of had been

1563
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:32,990
amused about the term UAP which seems to

1564
01:10:38,590 --> 01:10:35,930
be the nominal mature I can never say

1565
01:10:42,250 --> 01:10:38,600
that word of the military thank you

1566
01:10:45,460 --> 01:10:42,260
when they bring up UFOs they use that

1567
01:10:47,620 --> 01:10:45,470
term UAP Dean Alioto

1568
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:47,630
what is your perspective on that that

1569
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:58,180
it's you know it's fine that's what you

1570
01:11:02,770 --> 01:11:00,320
want to like rebrand it because you have

1571
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:02,780
always been kind of satirized into the

1572
01:11:08,860 --> 01:11:06,110
ground that's fine I don't you know I

1573
01:11:11,950 --> 01:11:08,870
have no no problem with that the one

1574
01:11:16,690 --> 01:11:11,960
thing that we're not is we're talking

1575
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:16,700
about flying objects right and so when I

1576
01:11:22,150 --> 01:11:20,570
heard the term disclosure I and maybe

1577
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:22,160
this isn't the right form for it but I

1578
01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:24,650
we're not talking about the alien

1579
01:11:30,190 --> 01:11:27,710
abductions which that to me isn't cool

1580
01:11:33,340 --> 01:11:30,200
that to me is Jack that if that is even

1581
01:11:36,130 --> 01:11:33,350
you know it's even happening that to me

1582
01:11:39,670 --> 01:11:36,140
is disclosure they're disclosing

1583
01:11:40,270 --> 01:11:39,680
themselves to 40 million people on the

1584
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:40,280
planet

1585
01:11:46,780 --> 01:11:42,080
I did I did the math on it and according

1586
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,790
to Yvonne Smith and Hopkins but how can

1587
01:11:51,010 --> 01:11:48,320
tell these guys they said that it's you

1588
01:11:53,260 --> 01:11:51,020
know comes out to be about that so I'm

1589
01:11:55,300 --> 01:11:53,270
going all right so just going on for

1590
01:11:59,290 --> 01:11:55,310
some of us I've been to a support group

1591
01:12:00,090 --> 01:11:59,300
meeting my audited one and it was

1592
01:12:02,140 --> 01:12:00,100
terrifying

1593
01:12:04,690 --> 01:12:02,150
because these were the most credible

1594
01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:04,700
people I've met who were architects

1595
01:12:10,030 --> 01:12:06,830
doctors lawyers and all them were

1596
01:12:11,050 --> 01:12:10,040
sharing the same story and and so for me

1597
01:12:14,380 --> 01:12:11,060
it was like

1598
01:12:15,850 --> 01:12:14,390
okay so they're the chosen ones man the

1599
01:12:17,170 --> 01:12:15,860
way life is right now I don't want to be

1600
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:17,180
chosen I'm fine

1601
01:12:22,030 --> 01:12:18,650
I'll read about the other people taking

1602
01:12:25,690 --> 01:12:22,040
one for the team so I don't know this

1603
01:12:27,490 --> 01:12:25,700
might be the right forum yeah it is P

1604
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:27,500
but I think you ap it's fine if that's

1605
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:29,360
what they need to call it and then you

1606
01:12:32,170 --> 01:12:30,800
know and that prevents them from playing

1607
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:32,180
the soundtrack to The X Files in the

1608
01:12:37,480 --> 01:12:36,320
background then oh okay a doctor I'm

1609
01:12:39,250 --> 01:12:37,490
gonna Scott what is your take on that

1610
01:12:42,670 --> 01:12:39,260
after all you are on the board of the

1611
01:12:44,980 --> 01:12:42,680
scientific coalition of you a piece well

1612
01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:44,990
my take on that it was kind of personal

1613
01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:46,910
because my sister and I were almost

1614
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:50,450
killed during a UFO experience and that

1615
01:12:56,740 --> 01:12:52,250
was very good I thought we were gonna

1616
01:12:59,260 --> 01:12:56,750
die and so I think possibly they can be

1617
01:13:05,230 --> 01:12:59,270
dangerous but I don't know why or how or

1618
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:05,240
anything else almost killed sorry that's

1619
01:13:10,420 --> 01:13:06,310
fascinating

1620
01:13:12,700 --> 01:13:10,430
well well having a close encounter a man

1621
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:12,710
stopped and talked to us that is very

1622
01:13:19,180 --> 01:13:16,640
crazy and then when you got a little

1623
01:13:21,580 --> 01:13:19,190
three-way we turn around on the freeway

1624
01:13:25,300 --> 01:13:21,590
and come back and look at the object he

1625
01:13:27,220 --> 01:13:25,310
just chased us and I switched lanes and

1626
01:13:29,070 --> 01:13:27,230
everything you'd think of speed it up

1627
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:29,080
and slow down you stayed right there and

1628
01:13:35,530 --> 01:13:32,810
blaze is headlights into my mirror so I

1629
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:35,540
couldn't see and it was a very dangerous

1630
01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:38,810
thing I finally escaped by a weird way

1631
01:13:42,270 --> 01:13:41,510
and we survived but I thought we were

1632
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:42,280
gonna get killed

1633
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:45,440
that wasn't a semi truck that he was

1634
01:13:55,870 --> 01:13:49,600
chasing here it wasn't a semi it was a

1635
01:13:58,330 --> 01:13:55,880
big you home okay yeah and anything else

1636
01:13:59,620 --> 01:13:58,340
said before we take a look ahead and

1637
01:14:01,420 --> 01:13:59,630
know what we might be I coming up

1638
01:14:04,540 --> 01:14:01,430
against going forward any other final

1639
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:04,550
thoughts on the on the show itself

1640
01:14:11,860 --> 01:14:06,650
before we move on to what we can look

1641
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:11,870
forward going forward I think the show

1642
01:14:15,970 --> 01:14:14,510
was it was a great sort of opportunity

1643
01:14:17,410 --> 01:14:15,980
to be able to not just talk about

1644
01:14:19,420 --> 01:14:17,420
disclosure but just showing that this

1645
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:19,430
might be a statement right of anything

1646
01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:22,370
regardless of what the craft ultimately

1647
01:14:26,210 --> 01:14:24,750
are it's sort of a statement

1648
01:14:28,130 --> 01:14:26,220
you know that if they're not engaging

1649
01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:28,140
they're just sort of parading around and

1650
01:14:32,660 --> 01:14:29,490
show and demonstrating this sort of

1651
01:14:34,700 --> 01:14:32,670
technology to our military and also you

1652
01:14:37,970 --> 01:14:34,710
know what from what we've talked about

1653
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:37,980
what's happened in public it is sort of

1654
01:14:41,420 --> 01:14:40,080
a big statement to say we're here it

1655
01:14:43,340 --> 01:14:41,430
doesn't necessarily need to reveal

1656
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:43,350
aliens or any of the other things that

1657
01:14:46,460 --> 01:14:45,210
we can sort of fictionalize about what

1658
01:14:48,020 --> 01:14:46,470
they may look like but here you have

1659
01:14:50,210 --> 01:14:48,030
crafts that are documented by the

1660
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:50,220
military and the government and they're

1661
01:14:54,380 --> 01:14:52,530
clearly displaying themselves and saying

1662
01:14:57,620 --> 01:14:54,390
hey this is this is what we're here our

1663
01:15:00,560 --> 01:14:57,630
show a power I was thinking too that

1664
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:00,570
this show really is one of the most

1665
01:15:05,660 --> 01:15:03,090
significant things to have happened in

1666
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:05,670
ufology in 70 years in that you know it

1667
01:15:13,130 --> 01:15:09,090
is confirming and what many and you

1668
01:15:15,650 --> 01:15:13,140
followed you have been saying for it's

1669
01:15:17,780 --> 01:15:15,660
been taken seriously two decades that

1670
01:15:27,020 --> 01:15:17,790
the government in fact is interest yeah

1671
01:15:30,370 --> 01:15:27,030
a - yes I would say I would call the

1672
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:30,380
show really an unqualified success

1673
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:33,510
so that's my opinion on that but Frank

1674
01:15:38,510 --> 01:15:36,690
why do you call it and qualified because

1675
01:15:40,910 --> 01:15:38,520
I think they achieved what they wanted

1676
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:40,920
to do they yeah they put together their

1677
01:15:44,810 --> 01:15:42,480
message their way they worked on it

1678
01:15:46,580 --> 01:15:44,820
looks like from my conception to the

1679
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:46,590
show's finale

1680
01:15:50,210 --> 01:15:48,450
looks like they got everything done that

1681
01:15:53,090 --> 01:15:50,220
they wanted to get done they told their

1682
01:15:55,850 --> 01:15:53,100
story their way so Keith RM and Dean

1683
01:15:58,250 --> 01:15:55,860
Alioto wanted to know do you think that

1684
01:16:01,880 --> 01:15:58,260
we're gonna see a flurry of more UFO

1685
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:01,890
related themed shows TV shows TV series

1686
01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:04,610
movies come out just because of this

1687
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:07,110
unidentified series any more than we

1688
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:09,600
normally see I think so I think you're

1689
01:16:13,010 --> 01:16:11,280
gonna see a huge uptick just because of

1690
01:16:16,810 --> 01:16:13,020
the validity of the show and and

1691
01:16:20,330 --> 01:16:16,820
something that's presented so factual is

1692
01:16:22,130 --> 01:16:20,340
incredibly rich in ideas for fiction and

1693
01:16:23,540 --> 01:16:22,140
telling a what-if story based on what

1694
01:16:25,490 --> 01:16:23,550
happened there's so many interesting

1695
01:16:28,220 --> 01:16:25,500
characters and people involved in these

1696
01:16:29,870 --> 01:16:28,230
stories based on real-life events that I

1697
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:29,880
think that that's always what good

1698
01:16:33,050 --> 01:16:31,410
storytellers are looking for is really

1699
01:16:35,390 --> 01:16:33,060
grounded in real characters and real

1700
01:16:37,790 --> 01:16:35,400
events so I can you can imagine how many

1701
01:16:38,780 --> 01:16:37,800
things have come off of Roswell and area

1702
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,790
if you wanted all the different reports

1703
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:40,320
and people have seen things over the

1704
01:16:43,879 --> 01:16:41,730
years but now you actually have

1705
01:16:46,549 --> 01:16:43,889
something in this generation that's

1706
01:16:48,319 --> 01:16:46,559
inspiring you know a whole new wave of

1707
01:16:49,549 --> 01:16:48,329
people enthusiasts to really do the

1708
01:16:51,609 --> 01:16:49,559
research and look at it so I think

1709
01:16:55,490 --> 01:16:51,619
you're going to see many many more shows

1710
01:16:58,609 --> 01:16:55,500
my good buddy Ryan spray has been like

1711
01:17:00,709 --> 01:16:58,619
offered all these shows to host there is

1712
01:17:04,189 --> 01:17:00,719
a going to be a flurry definitely of

1713
01:17:08,450 --> 01:17:04,199
reality shows I had kind of developed a

1714
01:17:10,129 --> 01:17:08,460
couple myself but I find that I I'm

1715
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:10,139
leaning towards spending my time doing

1716
01:17:14,629 --> 01:17:12,449
what what you know both Keith and I do

1717
01:17:16,399 --> 01:17:14,639
which is you know delving more into the

1718
01:17:18,589 --> 01:17:16,409
fictional stuff and killing stories and

1719
01:17:22,010 --> 01:17:18,599
using that as a background and trying to

1720
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:22,020
expound on it and and take it to a you

1721
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:24,449
know fantastical level that that is

1722
01:17:29,959 --> 01:17:27,449
grounded that is based on on what we

1723
01:17:32,089 --> 01:17:29,969
know now so there's definitely gonna be

1724
01:17:34,339 --> 01:17:32,099
more you know it's it's cyclical anyway

1725
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:34,349
I mean geez you know some of the people

1726
01:17:37,010 --> 01:17:36,239
on this panel have been around in it in

1727
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:37,020
the weeds

1728
01:17:42,319 --> 01:17:40,050
you know like Earl Grey what else way

1729
01:17:44,810 --> 01:17:42,329
back and and you can see how it comes in

1730
01:17:47,569 --> 01:17:44,820
cycles and stuff and right now this

1731
01:17:49,850 --> 01:17:47,579
isn't a new cycle but we've never had

1732
01:17:55,060 --> 01:17:49,860
the government come out like this before

1733
01:18:01,520 --> 01:17:59,149
and anyone else want to jump in well the

1734
01:18:04,490 --> 01:18:01,530
conversation has been sort of put into

1735
01:18:07,010 --> 01:18:04,500
hyperspace I mean where I used to have

1736
01:18:10,010 --> 01:18:07,020
to talk with people and and they would

1737
01:18:12,049 --> 01:18:10,020
roll their eyes and and and and you know

1738
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:12,059
I would they would say well you're a UFO

1739
01:18:16,970 --> 01:18:13,770
investigator how can you investigate

1740
01:18:21,260 --> 01:18:16,980
something that doesn't exist you know

1741
01:18:23,359 --> 01:18:21,270
etc etc I don't really hear that so much

1742
01:18:27,049 --> 01:18:23,369
anymore now you know people are actually

1743
01:18:30,500 --> 01:18:27,059
willing to to talk honestly and and with

1744
01:18:32,930 --> 01:18:30,510
no eye rolling and no like you know

1745
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:32,940
chant was saying you know no x-files

1746
01:18:40,609 --> 01:18:35,489
theme music plane in the background

1747
01:18:42,339 --> 01:18:40,619
that's normalized really quick you say

1748
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:42,349
you're getting a change in the reaction

1749
01:18:48,859 --> 01:18:46,800
in my everyday life I really don't see a

1750
01:18:50,569 --> 01:18:48,869
whole lot you know I I don't hear I

1751
01:18:52,549 --> 01:18:50,579
talked about

1752
01:18:54,830 --> 01:18:52,559
you know just as far as there's normal

1753
01:18:56,629 --> 01:18:54,840
everyday type things you know obviously

1754
01:18:59,060 --> 01:18:56,639
within the community it's gotten huge

1755
01:19:00,859 --> 01:18:59,070
but as far as everybody else and we've

1756
01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:00,869
seen the ratings from the show they've

1757
01:19:06,049 --> 01:19:03,510
got you know a million a million and

1758
01:19:07,819 --> 01:19:06,059
change viewers not a huge number it's

1759
01:19:11,629 --> 01:19:07,829
not I can stop in the charts as far as

1760
01:19:13,819 --> 01:19:11,639
even cable ratings are concerned is this

1761
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:13,829
really getting out there is this word

1762
01:19:17,569 --> 01:19:15,690
really getting out there amongst regular

1763
01:19:19,459 --> 01:19:17,579
folks who aren't especially engaged in

1764
01:19:21,229 --> 01:19:19,469
the field may I see some evidence that

1765
01:19:23,470 --> 01:19:21,239
there's a little bit of an uptick but

1766
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,480
not that much I think it's an

1767
01:19:28,430 --> 01:19:25,679
inconvenient truth for people you know I

1768
01:19:31,069 --> 01:19:28,440
mean and people do return back to their

1769
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:31,079
normal soap operas you know my wife and

1770
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:33,210
I you know started watching stranger

1771
01:19:37,939 --> 01:19:35,730
things again last night you know I mean

1772
01:19:40,970 --> 01:19:37,949
people are gonna do their usual stuff

1773
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:40,980
but it has changed the tone of the

1774
01:19:44,899 --> 01:19:42,090
conversation

1775
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:44,909
and again you know none of this is new

1776
01:19:49,250 --> 01:19:46,530
information I mean we've been hearing

1777
01:19:51,970 --> 01:19:49,260
about you ap UFOs whatever you want to

1778
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:51,980
call it you know for many many years

1779
01:19:57,140 --> 01:19:55,290
with the exact same properties that

1780
01:20:00,200 --> 01:19:57,150
these craft have you know breaking

1781
01:20:03,109 --> 01:20:00,210
Newton's laws you know the laws of

1782
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:03,119
thermodynamics you know right angle

1783
01:20:09,379 --> 01:20:07,530
turns at Mack v and such we've been

1784
01:20:12,319 --> 01:20:09,389
hearing this you know for many many

1785
01:20:14,510 --> 01:20:12,329
years but for myself what I've noticed

1786
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:14,520
is that people that once we're not

1787
01:20:18,919 --> 01:20:16,800
willing to talk about it now are

1788
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:18,929
actually willing to talk about that's

1789
01:20:23,540 --> 01:20:21,449
just on a personal level I've just

1790
01:20:25,370 --> 01:20:23,550
noticed this you know if I go somewhere

1791
01:20:27,859 --> 01:20:25,380
and I'm talking with somebody I've just

1792
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:27,869
met and they find out that I'm a UFO

1793
01:20:35,419 --> 01:20:30,960
researcher you know it used to be that

1794
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:35,429
that I got a stranger reaction from it

1795
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:37,650
now people want my business card you

1796
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:41,040
know to say I you know I saw something

1797
01:20:46,189 --> 01:20:43,440
back in high school or back you know a

1798
01:20:47,959 --> 01:20:46,199
couple years ago or last week people are

1799
01:20:49,879 --> 01:20:47,969
more forthcoming about their information

1800
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:49,889
because they don't think that it's

1801
01:20:56,660 --> 01:20:52,650
synonymous to being you know like a

1802
01:20:58,910 --> 01:20:56,670
tinfoil hat wearer to be trying to

1803
01:21:01,189 --> 01:20:58,920
understand this phenomena so I think

1804
01:21:04,340 --> 01:21:01,199
that you know it's slowly seeped to the

1805
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:04,350
public purview of what the phenomenon

1806
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:08,130
means and where it's coming from and you

1807
01:21:13,940 --> 01:21:12,000
know again our visitors are elusive you

1808
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:13,950
know I I go back to the Eagle River

1809
01:21:23,300 --> 01:21:19,170
sighting back in 1961 where this guy saw

1810
01:21:25,580 --> 01:21:23,310
saw a UFO they they asked him for pure

1811
01:21:27,620 --> 01:21:25,590
water he gave it to them and they they

1812
01:21:31,180 --> 01:21:27,630
they gave him buckwheat pancakes that

1813
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:31,190
they cooked on this interstellar hibachi

1814
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:33,840
and I love that story because there's

1815
01:21:39,650 --> 01:21:35,730
there's just such a you know it's like a

1816
01:21:41,930 --> 01:21:39,660
Monty Python skit but what I love is

1817
01:21:45,950 --> 01:21:41,940
what the et told him he said we want you

1818
01:21:48,140 --> 01:21:45,960
to believe in us but not that much it's

1819
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:48,150
the same thing you know it's like if you

1820
01:21:53,330 --> 01:21:50,610
if you are an attendant of a wild animal

1821
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:53,340
park you're tranquilizing lions and

1822
01:21:58,250 --> 01:21:55,530
you're putting tracking devices in them

1823
01:22:00,170 --> 01:21:58,260
and etc you want to see how they react

1824
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:00,180
to things in their normal environment

1825
01:22:04,700 --> 01:22:02,970
you don't necessarily want everybody to

1826
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:04,710
be thinking all the time oh I'm being

1827
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:06,930
watched and I think that it's probably

1828
01:22:11,180 --> 01:22:09,210
the same kind of thing they want us to

1829
01:22:12,710 --> 01:22:11,190
know and and people especially the

1830
01:22:14,780 --> 01:22:12,720
military it's gotten to the point where

1831
01:22:17,300 --> 01:22:14,790
they have to like leak some of this you

1832
01:22:19,550 --> 01:22:17,310
know it's a pressure cooker it's ready

1833
01:22:24,050 --> 01:22:19,560
to blow up so they're not going to hand

1834
01:22:26,150 --> 01:22:24,060
us abduction stories but you know it

1835
01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:26,160
took them 70 some years but here we are

1836
01:22:30,850 --> 01:22:28,070
you know they're finally willing to talk

1837
01:22:33,290 --> 01:22:30,860
reasonably without rolling their eyes

1838
01:22:35,930 --> 01:22:33,300
about the vehicles and that we're being

1839
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:35,940
visited and and that to me is a good

1840
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:38,850
thing progress albeit slow

1841
01:22:45,170 --> 01:22:41,850
yeah but Earl are we outdated as a

1842
01:22:47,210 --> 01:22:45,180
general public are we outdated as

1843
01:22:50,060 --> 01:22:47,220
private citizens from the military

1844
01:22:52,780 --> 01:22:50,070
sectors regarding the possibility of

1845
01:22:55,550 --> 01:22:52,790
their actually having a coveting

1846
01:22:58,490 --> 01:22:55,560
technology that could be at the level of

1847
01:23:03,140 --> 01:22:58,500
et level technology so to speak been

1848
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:03,150
rich in 1994 he said that we have the

1849
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:06,000
technology to take e.t home but it's all

1850
01:23:10,370 --> 01:23:08,370
locked up in black projects the public

1851
01:23:11,780 --> 01:23:10,380
know about it and so how do you feel

1852
01:23:13,670 --> 01:23:11,790
about the reality of that do you think

1853
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:13,680
that some of these UFOs are really ours

1854
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:16,770
I think you know personal opinion and

1855
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:17,199
that

1856
01:23:21,359 --> 01:23:18,489
you know you can't buy a cup of coffee

1857
01:23:23,910 --> 01:23:21,369
with that but my personal opinion after

1858
01:23:27,060 --> 01:23:23,920
speaking with many aerospace engineers

1859
01:23:29,129 --> 01:23:27,070
who have seen stuff in particular the

1860
01:23:32,759 --> 01:23:29,139
black triangles and some of the you know

1861
01:23:35,459 --> 01:23:32,769
the variants on those they tend to see

1862
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:35,469
them near flock feed you know the

1863
01:23:42,930 --> 01:23:40,530
Lockheed bass over over in Palmdale

1864
01:23:45,449 --> 01:23:42,940
people see these and they report them

1865
01:23:47,279 --> 01:23:45,459
and what one thing that I keep on

1866
01:23:49,379 --> 01:23:47,289
hearing over and over from these guys

1867
01:23:51,930 --> 01:23:49,389
after I see their badges and after I

1868
01:23:54,180 --> 01:23:51,940
check their credentials is do you know

1869
01:23:58,020 --> 01:23:54,190
how I can get on this project I really

1870
01:24:00,180 --> 01:23:58,030
want to work on this yeah I think that

1871
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:00,190
problem is possibly and probably some of

1872
01:24:05,279 --> 01:24:02,800
these of our our own the ones that look

1873
01:24:08,540 --> 01:24:05,289
manufactured or probably ours if as a

1874
01:24:11,609 --> 01:24:08,550
nuts-and-bolts it may be of human origin

1875
01:24:13,589 --> 01:24:11,619
and Dean Ashley how do you feel about

1876
01:24:17,969 --> 01:24:13,599
that possibility that some of these UFO

1877
01:24:20,399 --> 01:24:17,979
reports are actually et possibly et

1878
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:20,409
drive technology and that the military

1879
01:24:25,649 --> 01:24:22,690
industrial complex says Dean Elio is

1880
01:24:27,449 --> 01:24:25,659
stating a little earlier in our chat if

1881
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:27,459
that's a possibility what do you think

1882
01:24:37,500 --> 01:24:35,920
about that perspective there are some

1883
01:24:39,979 --> 01:24:37,510
aircraft that I've seen that of

1884
01:24:43,739 --> 01:24:39,989
answering videos taken with flares that

1885
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:43,749
can be explained as aircraft and you

1886
01:24:50,370 --> 01:24:46,449
know upon further evaluation from people

1887
01:24:54,029 --> 01:24:50,380
you know outside you know some kind of

1888
01:24:55,770 --> 01:24:54,039
deep bunkers scientists people they get

1889
01:25:00,029 --> 01:24:55,780
together and analyze these things they

1890
01:25:01,850 --> 01:25:00,039
have you know there's much more

1891
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:01,860
information than just a video you have

1892
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:04,510
air traffic control and all that kind of

1893
01:25:10,919 --> 01:25:07,690
stuff but yeah I think there's a mixture

1894
01:25:13,469 --> 01:25:10,929
of both you know I think there is

1895
01:25:15,060 --> 01:25:13,479
someone explained that I would have no

1896
01:25:19,109 --> 01:25:15,070
idea what they are and then some that

1897
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:19,119
can be easily explained dr. Irina Scott

1898
01:25:23,549 --> 01:25:20,530
can you chime in on that

1899
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:23,559
after indochine after that well i

1900
01:25:31,020 --> 01:25:27,489
referred to what stanford to us special

1901
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:31,030
report 14 where the mattel no more

1902
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:33,600
Institute did a good study of

1903
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:37,440
characteristics of UFOs and came up with

1904
01:25:42,990 --> 01:25:40,330
the that most of them are miss

1905
01:25:44,990 --> 01:25:43,000
identification but some of them with a

1906
01:25:48,270 --> 01:25:45,000
whole lot of information aren't missing

1907
01:25:51,210 --> 01:25:48,280
notifications and that they came up with

1908
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:51,220
the probability of less than one out of

1909
01:26:01,560 --> 01:25:55,840
a billion that well-defined UFOs are not

1910
01:26:04,530 --> 01:26:01,570
prosaic objects okay Shane yeah I was

1911
01:26:06,750 --> 01:26:04,540
thinking too that without a doubt we we

1912
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:06,760
have technology that is twenty thirty

1913
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:10,770
years you know in the making before we

1914
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:15,280
see it the a12 the f-117 the b2 all

1915
01:26:20,190 --> 01:26:17,440
those things but everything that we we

1916
01:26:23,070 --> 01:26:20,200
have created apparently it works on the

1917
01:26:28,500 --> 01:26:23,080
basis of thrust and lift and if you see

1918
01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:28,510
a UFO performing in a way that is not

1919
01:26:34,590 --> 01:26:30,280
utilizing thrust and lift and I highly

1920
01:26:35,850 --> 01:26:34,600
doubt that's ours you're basically

1921
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:35,860
you're saying right you don't think that

1922
01:26:52,710 --> 01:26:49,310
you know possible possible but

1923
01:26:54,810 --> 01:26:52,720
especially when a battlefield and we're

1924
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:54,820
at at now technology like that could

1925
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:56,530
prevent it I have a hard time saying

1926
01:26:59,550 --> 01:26:57,610
we're withholding that kind of

1927
01:27:02,100 --> 01:26:59,560
technology when it comes down to you

1928
01:27:05,460 --> 01:27:02,110
know the shedding of blood but you know

1929
01:27:08,010 --> 01:27:05,470
it could be wrong okay and what do we

1930
01:27:10,140 --> 01:27:08,020
see going forward the TTS a show is

1931
01:27:13,350 --> 01:27:10,150
wrapped up now unidentified as in the

1932
01:27:15,330 --> 01:27:13,360
books and that work is done I did see a

1933
01:27:17,850 --> 01:27:15,340
comment from chase mcclutzky this week

1934
01:27:20,010 --> 01:27:17,860
where she had said that basically the

1935
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:20,020
unidentified show covered what they were

1936
01:27:24,930 --> 01:27:23,440
doing last year and now it's this year

1937
01:27:27,630 --> 01:27:24,940
and they've been doing a whole lot more

1938
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:27,640
what do we see happening going forward

1939
01:27:42,490 --> 01:27:37,740
anyone the sequel should be called

1940
01:27:58,780 --> 01:27:51,490
I don't know how you top top what you

1941
01:28:00,370 --> 01:27:58,790
have because well hopefully though that

1942
01:28:01,780 --> 01:28:00,380
was facetious everything hasn't been

1943
01:28:04,210 --> 01:28:01,790
released so until they release something

1944
01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:04,220
new then it'll be a sequel and so it

1945
01:28:06,970 --> 01:28:05,510
definitely felt like they were holding

1946
01:28:11,010 --> 01:28:06,980
back a little bit and supposedly

1947
01:28:14,740 --> 01:28:11,020
Bigelow's got some actual material that

1948
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:14,750
he's procured that that he has that

1949
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:16,400
they've been analyzing and stuff so

1950
01:28:21,510 --> 01:28:18,800
maybe I'm the next one will be getting

1951
01:28:24,370 --> 01:28:21,520
more into you know the physical evidence

1952
01:28:25,630 --> 01:28:24,380
my huts on that at all during the show I

1953
01:28:27,700 --> 01:28:25,640
thought that was kind of interesting and

1954
01:28:29,770 --> 01:28:27,710
I got a lot of talk in the early

1955
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:29,780
aftermath I go back to the New York

1956
01:28:33,730 --> 01:28:32,000
Times story but it was not in evidence

1957
01:28:35,950 --> 01:28:33,740
at all during the shower that was

1958
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:35,960
interesting too regarding the topic of

1959
01:28:40,540 --> 01:28:37,370
metamaterials is what you're talking

1960
01:28:46,300 --> 01:28:40,550
about is that's exactly ok the atom

1961
01:28:48,580 --> 01:28:46,310
project right and then there's some

1962
01:28:50,260 --> 01:28:48,590
other separate project there's the ball

1963
01:28:52,570 --> 01:28:50,270
a Nolan study that's going on too and

1964
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:52,580
that's where the proof is in the pudding

1965
01:28:58,240 --> 01:28:54,170
on that we'll see if anything comes up

1966
01:29:00,880 --> 01:28:58,250
regarding that go along ok why don't why

1967
01:29:03,010 --> 01:29:00,890
don't you think the identify show did

1968
01:29:04,900 --> 01:29:03,020
how why do you think the unidentified

1969
01:29:08,050 --> 01:29:04,910
show did not bring up metamaterials

1970
01:29:10,060 --> 01:29:08,060
Frank oh it's a good question not really

1971
01:29:12,220 --> 01:29:10,070
sure my only guess would be that they

1972
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:12,230
just don't have the research done they

1973
01:29:16,990 --> 01:29:13,970
haven't come up with anything that was

1974
01:29:19,450 --> 01:29:17,000
worth going with at this point as Shane

1975
01:29:20,110 --> 01:29:19,460
was saying from their atom project yeah

1976
01:29:23,620 --> 01:29:20,120
did you hear me

1977
01:29:25,870 --> 01:29:23,630
yeah ok ok I think they wanted to focus

1978
01:29:27,670 --> 01:29:25,880
they had they had certain criteria that

1979
01:29:29,500 --> 01:29:27,680
they wanted to bring up they wanted to

1980
01:29:31,630 --> 01:29:29,510
bring up the objects he wanted to bring

1981
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:31,640
up the pilots reactions he wanted to

1982
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:34,970
bring up the politicians they you know

1983
01:29:38,260 --> 01:29:36,290
they wanted to show that there was

1984
01:29:40,060 --> 01:29:38,270
Providence to this and they just didn't

1985
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:40,070
have time left over to do it they had

1986
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:43,970
six episodes this had an arc you know it

1987
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:46,130
had a beginning and an ending to it and

1988
01:29:51,220 --> 01:29:48,080
I think that they achieved what they

1989
01:29:54,250 --> 01:29:51,230
were hoping to achieve they covered some

1990
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:54,260
pretty dense material pretty well yes it

1991
01:29:56,260 --> 01:29:56,090
was it wasn't for us I mean it was for

1992
01:29:58,360 --> 01:29:56,270
the

1993
01:30:01,540 --> 01:29:58,370
general public that was very different

1994
01:30:03,460 --> 01:30:01,550
from ancient aliens episode yes yeah

1995
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:03,470
it's kind of like baby steps again this

1996
01:30:08,170 --> 01:30:06,290
whole spoon-feeding thing is you know

1997
01:30:09,850 --> 01:30:08,180
you've got to bring everyone up to speed

1998
01:30:10,990 --> 01:30:09,860
in a in a you know in a logical and

1999
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:11,000
controlled way you don't want to freak

2000
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:13,520
them out don't overwhelm them so they're

2001
01:30:18,370 --> 01:30:15,650
and I suspect too that they're holding

2002
01:30:21,460 --> 01:30:18,380
off on that because that will be a part

2003
01:30:24,250 --> 01:30:21,470
of season 2 if there is one so yeah I

2004
01:30:25,930 --> 01:30:24,260
mean what a great story that that could

2005
01:30:28,090 --> 01:30:25,940
be right metamaterials oh my god holy

2006
01:30:31,180 --> 01:30:28,100
provenance of it episodes were the

2007
01:30:33,310 --> 01:30:31,190
implication there oh yeah and we know

2008
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:33,320
dr. Irina she worked over at patel

2009
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:36,050
institute back in the day and supposedly

2010
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:39,530
they got the metamaterials from Roswell

2011
01:30:47,010 --> 01:30:41,810
you know what do you think about that

2012
01:30:52,690 --> 01:30:49,360
something was sent from Roswell to

2013
01:30:54,460 --> 01:30:52,700
Battelle and we found one person that

2014
01:30:56,740 --> 01:30:54,470
said he had studied those things and

2015
01:30:59,320 --> 01:30:56,750
when they set up the study they hired

2016
01:31:03,310 --> 01:30:59,330
metallurgist and so a lot of people

2017
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:03,320
wondered what's going on but the person

2018
01:31:10,690 --> 01:31:05,600
I know that tried the best to find out

2019
01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:10,700
and actually interviewed the people that

2020
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:12,560
something new something about the study

2021
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:14,810
just didn't say a thing except one of

2022
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:16,850
them said we are concerned that's all

2023
01:31:27,250 --> 01:31:19,970
she got out of him well that's pretty

2024
01:31:29,140 --> 01:31:27,260
that's pretty good yeah all right so

2025
01:31:34,350 --> 01:31:29,150
we're just just about to wrap up does

2026
01:31:43,300 --> 01:31:40,630
good job I think it was not rather just

2027
01:31:45,070 --> 01:31:43,310
another UFO show they they set out the

2028
01:31:47,650 --> 01:31:45,080
purpose and I think if they accomplished

2029
01:31:51,850 --> 01:31:47,660
it they brought the conversation to a

2030
01:31:54,130 --> 01:31:51,860
new level and you know cheers and carry

2031
01:31:56,230 --> 01:31:54,140
on is all I have to say and I'm really

2032
01:31:58,570 --> 01:31:56,240
hard to do that it seems like you know

2033
01:32:01,150 --> 01:31:58,580
these guys want to work with other UFO

2034
01:32:03,010 --> 01:32:01,160
investigate or e groups they haven't

2035
01:32:05,530 --> 01:32:03,020
fought against MUFON they haven't fought

2036
01:32:08,140 --> 01:32:05,540
against any of the other you know teams

2037
01:32:10,090 --> 01:32:08,150
that are there they're realizing that we

2038
01:32:11,860 --> 01:32:10,100
all have our role to play

2039
01:32:14,470 --> 01:32:11,870
there are certainly enough UFOs to go

2040
01:32:18,130 --> 01:32:14,480
around and so I'd like to applaud that

2041
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:18,140
aspect to the show and let's hope I'm

2042
01:32:26,770 --> 01:32:20,530
sure there's a season two as well so

2043
01:32:29,620 --> 01:32:26,780
yeah good good job good anyone else want

2044
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:29,630
to jump in before we wrap up yeah I

2045
01:32:35,470 --> 01:32:33,410
think people ought to mention that UFOs

2046
01:32:37,930 --> 01:32:35,480
are more respectable now because of that

2047
01:32:45,390 --> 01:32:37,940
if somebody you know rules our eyes tell

2048
01:32:50,530 --> 01:32:48,790
Channel living room you're right I did

2049
01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:50,540
have one last question for our panel and

2050
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:51,920
that is do you believe that the

2051
01:32:59,640 --> 01:32:55,250
unidentified series show is a form of

2052
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:05,380
everything is propaganda so what does

2053
01:33:10,660 --> 01:33:08,690
that mean if you're you know you're

2054
01:33:13,270 --> 01:33:10,670
stating these are the findings that we

2055
01:33:14,620 --> 01:33:13,280
have but I mean that show literally to

2056
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:14,630
be honest about it I think he would

2057
01:33:22,350 --> 01:33:17,570
probably back me up and and so we dave

2058
01:33:24,970 --> 01:33:22,360
is um it could be done in one hour so

2059
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:24,980
that's the reality of it I mean come on

2060
01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:27,290
so it's it's kind of like this long

2061
01:33:32,980 --> 01:33:29,840
tease and ultimately it's you know it

2062
01:33:35,410 --> 01:33:32,990
serves a function we we can't exist you

2063
01:33:37,930 --> 01:33:35,420
know on on the kindness of strangers as

2064
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:37,940
Blanche DuBois would say you know it's

2065
01:33:44,380 --> 01:33:40,970
it's it's part of the business and so

2066
01:33:46,690 --> 01:33:44,390
it's a way of doing it in a story or in

2067
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:46,700
a compelling way that's of interest and

2068
01:33:52,180 --> 01:33:50,090
and so you know at the end of the day

2069
01:33:54,220 --> 01:33:52,190
what is the final message of that you

2070
01:33:56,440 --> 01:33:54,230
know Spielberg is the master at that

2071
01:33:58,660 --> 01:33:56,450
Close Encounters that was a that was a

2072
01:34:00,820 --> 01:33:58,670
message of communion you know coming you

2073
01:34:06,010 --> 01:34:00,830
know connecting and that's okay that's

2074
01:34:09,490 --> 01:34:06,020
not bad but anyway as far as that Keith

2075
01:34:10,570 --> 01:34:09,500
and Keith and Dean as far as the ratings

2076
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:10,580
are concerned I don't know if you had a

2077
01:34:14,170 --> 01:34:12,560
chance to look at it it seemed like they

2078
01:34:16,690 --> 01:34:14,180
actually held the ancient aliens

2079
01:34:18,460 --> 01:34:16,700
audience and even grew it at least a

2080
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:18,470
little bit in a couple of the results

2081
01:34:23,170 --> 01:34:20,480
that I saw those ratings good enough to

2082
01:34:23,890 --> 01:34:23,180
keep the show going oh definitely change

2083
01:34:25,330 --> 01:34:23,900
and to be

2084
01:34:28,300 --> 01:34:25,340
something that's important enough to

2085
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:28,310
bring the mainstream press and covering

2086
01:34:31,950 --> 01:34:30,290
this and keeping that conversation going

2087
01:34:34,810 --> 01:34:31,960
is going to be something that's gonna

2088
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:34,820
produce more content and raise awareness

2089
01:34:39,490 --> 01:34:37,010
so I think that the fact that they did

2090
01:34:41,410 --> 01:34:39,500
those numbers albeit you know maybe a

2091
01:34:42,669 --> 01:34:41,420
small footprint is pretty significant

2092
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:42,679
given the size of the community in the

2093
01:34:55,959 --> 01:34:48,650
and a topic that they're covering and

2094
01:34:57,970 --> 01:34:55,969
anyone else more and more interest the

2095
01:35:01,270 --> 01:34:57,980
scientific relation for you followed you

2096
01:35:04,410 --> 01:35:01,280
did an excellent study to the whole

2097
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:04,420
nimitz and everything yes yes they did

2098
01:35:10,390 --> 01:35:07,130
okay so well yeah let's wrap everything

2099
01:35:13,110 --> 01:35:10,400
up we had a great show today covering a

2100
01:35:15,340 --> 01:35:13,120
basically review of the entire

2101
01:35:16,990 --> 01:35:15,350
unidentified series we touched on a lot

2102
01:35:19,419 --> 01:35:17,000
of points a lot of interesting things

2103
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:19,429
came up that kept us all at the edge of

2104
01:35:22,990 --> 01:35:21,170
our seat and surprised us a little bit

2105
01:35:25,090 --> 01:35:23,000
so I that's always a good thing it

2106
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:25,100
wasn't all just rehash they had some new

2107
01:35:29,740 --> 01:35:27,170
material for us we love the show can't

2108
01:35:31,810 --> 01:35:29,750
wait til season two and I'm gonna say

2109
01:35:33,790 --> 01:35:31,820
good night to everybody and thanks for

2110
01:35:34,209 --> 01:35:33,800
joining us and let's go through the

2111
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:34,219
lineup

2112
01:35:39,070 --> 01:35:37,489
Shane heard from grade Dean Ashley Jeff

2113
01:35:42,220 --> 01:35:39,080
Crouse Jim man

2114
01:35:44,649 --> 01:35:42,230
dr. Irena Scott Alejandro Rojas was not

2115
01:35:46,510 --> 01:35:44,659
able to join us Keith Arum Denali Oh

2116
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:46,520
towed a baby of course

2117
01:35:51,970 --> 01:35:48,800
Karen Burrard also was not able to join

2118
01:35:54,910 --> 01:35:51,980
us but fantastic lineup a fantastic show

2119
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:54,920
and thanks everybody and we will see you